Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Asadi,

U promised to be good (to vengataramanan) yesterday but u called GT a barbarian 2day.

Have read his posts here or b4? If u did, u'd change ur views. If u forgot, he supported u when u were banned at regular intervals.

dost_mitter and others,

I visited a couple of villages nr my place after became Chowk member (b4 that I, like many, never thought Muslims as a separate quam here).

They are well-off, by and large. They live in the upper caste locality of villages. None of them is a dhobi, chamar, barber, coolie or rick-puller. These menial jobs are done by Hindu lower caste guys. Muslims like upper caset men have rice mills, lorry businesses, shops but some do lesser jobs eg. buthcer, tailoring, watch-repairing etc.,

Nobody addresses them, 'u bloody Musla'.

I dont know why Muslims are painted as victims here. With ref to Gujarat or Maharashtra, the situation is different with varying degrees.

Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India Nope I didnt get that guys. gtg sorry.

Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India #141 Posted by dost_mittar on July 23, 2008 8:01:19 am

It's naive to think that Nehru and Gandhi are supposed to say, 'sorry Muslim folks, pl go to Pakistan'.

Is that what they're supposed to say or

'OK, since the east and western parts of India are liberated, pl work from within to liberate the rest of India for the sake of Ummah.'

The emergence of Hindu right is a response to Muslim right. Muslim right is secular & Hindu right is communal?

What a load of .....!

In my part of India I live, I have not come across a divided society the way some ppl portray here.

A Journey Interrupted: Being Indian in Pakistan by Farzana Versey Jum dada,

No kidding plzzz.

Rgds.

A Journey Interrupted: Being Indian in Pakistan by Farzana Versey I forgot to praise Zeemax for inventing a new phrase i.e. Punjabi Kashmiris.

It'd be great if u can extend the logic & spirit to
Punjabi Sindhis, Punjabi Balochis and Punjabi Pathans.

:)

A Journey Interrupted: Being Indian in Pakistan by Farzana Versey What to comment on? Book review or FV?

Aurhtor did a decent job on the review tho I have a couple of serious objections..

a. Muslims are threatened and terrorised in India
b. Modernist Jinnah (an obvious oxyMORON)
c. Muslim representation in RAW nad army.

(a) can be said abt some pockets of India. There's no institutionalised discrimination against anybody, leave alone Muslims.

(b) Modernist Jinnah phrase is direcetd at gullible readers who dont bother to know him in full.

(c) Nobody stopped Muslims or anybody from joining the army or RAW. If Sikhs are over represented there it's bcoz they are the samurais of India also who prefer to join the army. If Gorkhas had a regiment in their name it's bcoz they are sturdy and a history of serving the Queen/King & they continue to serve in the army. It's wrong to expect quotas in every sphere of life. India is a free & open country with no disabilities imposed on anybody or group.

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PPl write books when ppl gain maturity in writing. FV is still a livewire and to expect analysis or cohesion is impossible.

She had a history of biased writing on Indo-Pak issues.

To compare Arundhati with FV is scandalous. Arundhati rejects her religious identity (she never talks forget abt harping) in toto whereas FV lives off her Muslimness and draws her views from that viewpoint.

Authro Shibli, I'd talk abt K'shmeer on another day.

Muslims in America #37 Posted by VRV on July 2, 2008 4:38:27 am

There'd a Gay Bar for Malayasians in New York but there'd NOT be one in Kualalumpur (sic).

Muslims in America '...Asra went on to publish her own “Islamic Bill of Rights” which included the right to consensual pre-marital sex..'

This reminds me of a joke told by David Letterman in one of his Late Shows.

There'd a Gay Bar for Malayasians in New York but there'd be one in Kualalumpur (sic).

The Bhopal Tragedy Continues What a monumental tragedy and equally monumental apathy of the GoI!

I think UC gave some Rs. 5-600 crores of compensation but how much of it actually went to the beneficiaries is the question. Nevertheless the remedies made in India upon this tragedy were not witnessed coz we have the chemical plants releasing toxic gases at nights is a norm in western India (as far as I know); those chemical plants release effluents to the pristine tributaries and rivers & release toxic gases is also a naked crime that go unnoticed, leave alone unpunished. In fact Vapi is one of the top-10 polluted cities in the world. The death of flora and fauna & throttling of general environment and rise of gas-related diseases are not at all studied leave alone remedied. It’s a summary ignorance & apathy.

Environmental damage is something that's invisible or immediate but money is not going to bring back any amount of splendour that's lost in the process of 'development'. We don’t have Carbon Trust in India as we have one in UK. It’s a misconception that upkeep of environment is a costly enterprise. On the contrary it’s a money-minting exercise. GoI and state govts keep silent or in a mutually beneficial relation with the industrialists i.e. collusion and bribery.

Bhopal is one of the greatest tragedies of India and no lesson is learnt till date. Conscientious activists may write books & novels and get acclaimed by the western world but we are never going to learn anything from any kinda tragedy in India.

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis Yasser Latif Hamdani as Chowk is like Salman Rushdie wearing a wig.

Civil Rights, yes but religious rights, yes as well BUT reinventing Islam, prolly NO.

Sorry Yasser, u need to convince ur fellow compatriots on that. If u believe in democracy which is 'rule by majority' then u have to abide by that rule.

P.S: If u cant put ur name fearing persecution here how can we belive that u r actually 'participating' in the lawyers' movement?

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad #520 Posted by krbhatti on June 12, 2008 5:28:55 pm

Brother,

U stood out from other Pakistanis when u spoke 4 them tho u disagreed with them.

As 4 not getting straight answers from them, I get ur point ;)

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad #511 Posted by krbhatti on June 12, 2008 4:02:25 pm

Khalid,

What a point, man! Let God punish them, if they're are non-believers. Cant agree more.

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad Some machuda Hindu and Muslim extremists killed each other in Gujarat and we're supposed to keep quit. What kinda logic is this?

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad tahmed32,

Dont tell me that u have anything good to tell abt Indians. This is (mutual criticism) part of the Chowk daily interactions. That's how it is and how it shud be.

If u cant handle criticism then better u ignore them. I cant stop u calling me anti-Pakistani or anti-Muslim. Go ahead.

Individual members make their own conclusions as to who is hatred-filled who's a normal interactor.

Twenty Three Students Expelled From Punjab Medical College, Faisalabad tahmed32,

I dont care if u are Ahmadi or a Lahori.

This machuda Chowk never publishes articles on Indian matters. So we Indian chowkies perforce talk abt the aricles that re published here.

If critism is what u call as hatred then just ignore my posts.

No rgds

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