Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul #133 Posted by guru on May 7, 2008 4:03:39 am
guru,

Country is greater than individuals. I agree but talking abt a Mahatma (abt his murder) is abhorrant.

The list of things u gave are good but do u think that Indian schools dont teach abt the great ppl u mentioned? If so then u are not educated in India. If u think that the works of those ppl ALONE be taught then u better live in a cocoon.

What Greece did and doing is to the detriment of that great civilisation there. The best brains of Greece find jobs elsewhere leaving Greece for the teaching of its greats sons of the bygone era. India want to emulate Greece i.e learning abt India's great past???

I am gald that u proved urself right here.

"Indian civilization is still under gulami and probably more so, as prophet Munnanhai (PBUH) says "Des Apana Hogaya Par Log Paraye Hogaye."

Few sound bytes for right perspective:

"In the modern planetary situation, Eastern and Western 'cultures' can no longer meet one another as equal partners. They meet in a westernized world, under conditions shaped by western ways of thinking."
--- W. Halbfass"

(u neened a gora to prove ur point. SO much for love for native wisdom:( )

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Whatever said and done Gandhi was the key figure in India's independence. His ideas of cohabitation were pulverised by Islamists then but now the Hindutva brigade wants his name earsed from India is something I find unpalatable. His ideas are stupid as well as sublime but he never had a charter for India. He had a vision, a vision of goodwill and good people.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul Majumdar,

Whatever u try to dominate the board here is not going to take away the greatness of Gandhi.

Gandhi is Gandhi. What I get from ur michief is that Gandhi was not khattarpanthi enuff.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul #72 Posted by nkg on May 5, 2008 9:18:13 pm

nkg,

I need more time to answer ur points.

Majumdar,

U can invite Yasser to attack Gandhi now. That'd be great i.e. Hindu fundoos and Paakis joining hands (no surprise that Shyaama Prasad Mukherjee joined hands with Muslism fundoos; tho u despise each other in public u are blood bohters).

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul #71 Posted by majumdar on May 5, 2008 8:28:41 pm

Behind the veneer of soft Chowky lurks a mini-Godse. I am scared now.

OK, What abt this Dada. We export all anti-Gandhians i.e Godseists and they export all liberals.

That'd complete the Partition in spirit.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul #70 Posted by majumdar on May 5, 2008 8:26:55 pm

Majumdar,

That's a good repartee. I liked it.

(I am not a Gandhain, btw)

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul #55 Posted by nkg on May 5, 2008 5:54:28 am

'Kicked all the British owned companies (construction companies), which used to provide technological backbone.'

Constrcution companies providing technological backbone? Give some other points. It's laughable that construcution companies are tech backbones!


'Today you are seeing L & T etc...Calcutta/Howrah was host of such companies, which was number one in Asia (Burns Standards etc...).'

What I saw in Calcutta is nothing but the graveyards of the bygone era. Do some introspection as to what ppl say abt Beganali work culture. (Have u heard this? Bengalis are like sperm, one in a million work). If companies were closed, it's only becoz of the host of non-Nehru reasons. Pl find some other scape-goat.


'The IIT, constitution etc...was brainchild of Bengal Congress leaders (Dr. B C Roy); which people give credit to Nehru...'

Boy nkg, even Ambedkar shud not be given credit for the Constitution. He's just the Head od the body! Need no elaboration.

'Regarding Nathuram Godse...Gandhi was supposed to be killed. So much bloodshed, and he will evade it!!!! But this poor chap made it very early. Gandhi was supposed to see his unpopularity and then die...Poor chap had not allowed that... '

Godse killed Gandhi once but ppl like u never seem to let him rest in peace. You guys kill him everyday.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul nkg,


gtg. I'd reply to this tinite.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul 52, Majumdar,

"The result is there for all to see. How does one justify the crippling of India's private enterprise or the complete neglect of basic education and healthcare?"

Now u are a bit clear. Thanks.

Can u tell me how Nehru crippled private enterprise? Tatas, Birlas grew inspite of the bureacracy inherited from the British Indian govt. Nehru never crippled them. If the existing laws were cumbuersome, he didnt bother since propping-up business class was not his first priority. I think his economic policies were piloted by Mahalanobis.

Increasing arable land was his first pririty but he bothered to take care of higher education and made statutory
provisions for an enlightend India (not Gandhian India). His conributions to Indian Constitution (at least facilitation), Knowledge-base, Industrial sector are unquestionable.

Abt basic education and healthcare, u knw that these are the state subjects. How can the PM of India is blamed form PHCs and schools in villages.

Thanx u clarified on Godse but retracted by heaping abuse on Gandhi.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul #44 Posted by majumdar on May 5, 2008 5:16:05 am

Majumdarda,

Unless, u say anything clearly, it's impossible to talk abt any issue. What muddled thinking? What's it?

Nehru had no magic wand to remove poverty. India was bled white by British for 2-3 centuries. Nehru also inherited the hate and social dissonance son ater 1947. He cant speak Jinnah's language nor he's saintly.

He prapared the solid base for India's development. He started big insuduries. He invested in higher education and becoz of him we have Reseach instts, IITs, Nuclear and Space acievements.

He made some mistakes like believing China blindly but made amends soon after that. Nobody is perfect. Do u think u are perfect. I am not.

The recurring problem on Chowk is that many here celabrate Godse but cant say it openly. Thye want eternal bloodshed but cant lift dhoti to start one real fight. :(

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul Majumadar,

Poverty is the result of pluner of India for several cennturies. Why Nehru is to blame for that?

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul Majumdarda,

It's a lie that SVP had majority support. Right wingers like him for his anti-Jinnah stance. That way I too lke him but he's not a PM material. JLN's a statesman.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul 23,

Majumdarda,

Can u show me a reference where 'majority of MPs supported SVP' was evidenced?

As for the comment on condolences, it's self-evident.

As for rearends, it's all over the UP.

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul 18 Majumdarda,

"I am blaming him for imposing the ga**** JLN as India's first PM overlooking SVP."

U mean to say that SVP was popular than JLN? It sounds like Devilal was popular than VP Singh. Lol!

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Gandhi was too foolhardy to be a leader who commands followers. He's inspirational and following came on its own.

Niramla di died and a word of condolence became a ridicule that Ekalavya and u want us to die. :((

Many of the Godseists want nothing but revenge but have no balls (esp Ek) to face ur enemies. Instead offer rearends to enemies. Is there a word in psychology for this trait? Lemme find out. :)

Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul May Her Soul Rest in Peace.

Don’t Hang Sarabjeet Urstruly,

Ur points sound plauible but India doesn't resort to Qoranic path to resolve this issue.

Prez of Pakistan is a titular head as on date therefore final decision on Sarabjit wud be taken by the govt of the day; given what the top guys who matter tell, there's a way out for the guy.

The stakes for India as very high as the intevention at the top-most level was applied in this case. So Pakistan wud play ball. Moreover the visit of the Foreign Misniter was fixed during this month followed by PM's slated visit sometime this year. Reckless Pakistan under Mush (if the Gillani's govt is dissolved) wud alone do some adventurous thing......

Instead of guessing abt the outcome, I'd prefer to rely on the key factors in this case. The qisas angle of Qoran is not on table for India at all. Lets see.

Race to the Finish #63 Posted by GT on April 30, 2008 1:30:16 pm

Simple, crispy & lovable comment.