Nirad Babu\'s Ghost Pradyumana Gautam C Chaudhry ?
A hindutva endorsing biased view.Just a opinion of the 'Greatest ' brown saheb of his time .Hindi is better than opposed to megalominacilly Fixated Bengali on Rabindro Baose Viveka Nanda shyama prasad trying to replace British in India . Mcaleys children

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 932
Ajeya your bet is wrong .i just returned back co incidently .

There is religion wise reatriction Can a dalit marry Brahmin?

A brahmin boy can marry inside or outside religion wise low High

Can a brahmin woman marry lower caste Man ?

If a Hindu male wants to marry Muslim Girl he can in multi cultural country like in India.Why it is so important to know if it is possible Afghanistan or not b/c it is just theoretical discussion no hindu to seek muslim women as in most Muslim majority countries.

In countries like Usa Britain U.K.they can be registerd to be married when gay lebanese can ?

Brahmin canmary Low or High .Whatdalit is to do Ristricted to Dalit .Is that not impossible situation b/c religously Brahmin girl is not to be married to Dalit .

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 925
Laddu ji if any body is plate Pisser its YOU .

I salute the Indian Hindu Muslim And otherIndia who do not think like you .Murad is more comfartable with Indians than Pseudo 'Indian' like you taking away from country being even less than the soldier and farmers remainig in India running the day to day work of country .They actually dont have issue .you in your right are no less than violent jehadist dhimmitude terorising militant in stigating than Jinnah your nemesis

.If you have issue with Saudi Arabia Or pakistan take agun & fight wih them.

You are Sanatan dharmi good .how is it that any other dharam(religion ) according to you are less. There might be all the beuties in any dharam but non practitioneer do not see it .Why dont you stop your public soul searching trying to find for your self to some where .while not maurading everthing else inits like a elephant .

I know you are good person and just playing devil advocte in your free time so peace

May be every artice ,reference written by him has been biased wrong and fabricated .Its no ore than or even less than graphic put down on U.P.
or f.P is the finals and U.P. the semi finals .more crucial to score the final goal in the F.P. ..Rainbow ikon

The \'One God\' Religions of Revelation Re: # 927
DM sb I undersand you point from past .But isnt there is similar restriction among practicing Hindu not be able to marry Any one .As i understand a preist or society will sanction marriage of higher caste (brahmin) boy with lower caste girl if they agree .I do not know if Muslim boy marries lower caste or not .But moulvi des not ask the bride to be of higher caste

Of course the marriage act renders both hindu & muslim couple free from Preist or Nikah karoing Moulvi .

If the musliml start thinking like brahmin it would be worst b/c the moulvi will become like hindu purohits more selective of the bride.

Life is no pic nic for nonmuslim in Hindu dominated country .Its not by choice they are stuck in this rut.its of question of having to be under microscope of Majority .

There are far more basic requirement for muslim than marry hindu girl.

Local Liberal Dribble Salman Rushdie. When asked if 'fundamentalism was the root cause of terror', he replied
'no, they both have a common root cause. Fear of sexuality, especially fear of the female as a sexual person in the psyche of some believers.'


What nonsense Since when Rushdie became a booker awarded writer to Freudean clinical Psychologist to be quoted /taken seriously .

Fundoo both Moulanas Mormons take more than one wives .

Rushdie is mysogynist to blame all problems fom fndoo to terorist on women

May be b/c his own asexuality fear of Padma and girls he liked who left him lonely

Whose Life is it Anyway? Re: # 8

What makes you think


"What was the fault of Danny Pearl, may I ask?

Or of Rupin Katiyal, the newlywed?

Or the thousands killed in WTC?

Or the hundreds killed in aircraft bombings like the Kanishka?

Or the countless killed by the Kashmiri Jihadis?

If you are sincere about it - you ought to condemn ALL violence - especially those which have traditionally originated in Pakistan."

IS NOT CONDEMNED.???????????

Europe and the Film Culture


The Rediff Interview/Harvard Professor Michael Witzel

'I am not a Hindu hater'

December 30, 2005


Professor Michael Witzel, Wales Professor of Sanskrit in the Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies at Harvard University, shot off a letter to the California Board of Education on November 8 after coming to know what he described was US-based Hindu groups's attempt to have sections of school textbooks relating to information on ancient India, Hindu religion and culture altered to conform to their views.

Professor Witzel warned in the letter, co-signed, among others, by Stanley Wolpert, Professor Emeritus at the University of California at Los Angeles, a pre-eminent American specialist on Indian history, and Romila Thapar, India's most famous historian on ancient India and a recent Kluge Fellow at the Library of Congress in Washington, DC, that the textbook changes proposed by these groups would lead to an international educational scandal if accepted by California's Board of Education.

Following the letter, Professor Witzel, who has lived and taught Mimamsa philosophy in Nepal for more than five years and held many positions in the US and Germany, was retained by the Curriculum Commission along with Professor Wolpert to revisit the changes/edits approved by the ad hoc committee.

After the commission, an advisory body, decided by vote to accept only a dozen or so of the 58 recommendations made by the Witzel panel, Professor Witzel spoke to rediff India Abroad Senior Editor Suman Guha Mozumder explaining the reasons for his panel's opposition to the corrections proposed by the Hindu groups.

Why did you choose to write to the Board of Education almost at the end of the process? What issues were you and other scholars on India uncomfortable with?

It was the whole approach these two Foundations -- the Hindu Education Foundation and the Vedic Foundation -- took on the issue of textbooks. As we mentioned, the agenda of these groups proposing these changes is familiar to all specialists on Indian history who have recently won a long battle to prevent exactly these kinds of changes from finding a permanent place in history textbooks in India.

The proposed revisions are not of a scholarly but of a religious-political nature and promoted by Hindutva supporters and non-specialist academics who write on issues outside their areas of expertise.

'I am not for rewriting Hinduism'

Could you elaborate?

I must perhaps say that school textbooks are never perfect, and are always behind the curve. But now what these two Foundations have done with their proposed changes is to make the textbooks even worse for the school children of California.

Why do you think so?

The reasons are twofold.

First of all, it is a rewriting of Hinduism. Academics discuss Hinduism, among all religions, keeping in mind that there are so many diverse groups. If you read their edits, it would seem like Hinduism is a monotheistic religion, like Christianity or Judaism, with God spelt with a capital G.

It is a very narrow sectarian approach and that is being inserted into textbooks.

I have no preference, but you see there are tantriks, lingayets and others who too are Hindus, but all of them are missing (in the groups' opinion of Hinduism) and you get only one particular, sectarian and religiously-motivated point of view.

What is the second reason?

Number two is that history too has also been rewritten seriously. If you had gone to the Vedic Foundation web site, you will be happy to see that Indian civilisation is 1.9 million years old. I wonder who was around that time in India but anyway they say it is that old.

I believe you and your panel objected to as many as 58 proposals approved by the ad hoc committee. What were the main ones?

I do not know (because) there are so many. The main ones are on the side of philosophy and religion. They talk only in terms of God and cut out other gods and goddesses. Then there are many historical inaccuracies. They would say that Hinduism is just Vedic.

If it was just Vedic then many things like the worship of goddess Kali would not be part of present day Hinduism. Or they would say that the ancient sacrifices or jagnas did not involve any animal sacrifice. As if nobody knows what goes on in Kalighat (a temple in Kolkata where goats used to be sacrificed until a few years ago) or Kathmandu (capital of Nepal, the only Hindu kingdom in the world) every day.

They say the same things for the early Vedic period. There are historical inaccuracies all over the place.

I believe your panel had objections about the corrections relating to the caste system.

It is always complicated. First of all, the textbooks authors had confused caste and class although that has been corrected. But they say the caste system developed in the last few centuries or so. But the fact that the caste system was there before the British came to rule India is denied by them.

To come back to our point, what they are doing is misrepresentation of both history and religion.

Your panel also had objections on women's rights.

Young women would be happy to learn that, as the edits suggest, that their rights were different from the rights of men in India like the slave owners and slaves had. Schools children will learn that, although it contradicts what the ancient Indian texts say.

A very famous quote from Manu says 'a woman should be guarded at all stages of her life -- as a child at home by her father, as a married woman by her husband and as a widow by her son.' Thank you very much for the protection, but these things are never mentioned. Only that women and men had different rights.

The Shruti says, for example in the Satapatha Brahmana, that in war one should not kill women.

But the next sentence says one should just rob them. It shows the rights of women, but it also shows the position of women, too!

Could this be out of ignorance of history?

You know, I would agree with them as far as the ultimate cause is concerned because Hindus and others living in the US notice that their religion gets misrepresented and there is a need to correct the image. I agree with that.

But the question is how to go about it?

The intention of the Vedic Foundation and Hindu Education Foundation was good but the way they are doing it, as I said, is sectarian, narrow and historically wrong.

If they had consulted scholars in the US -- and most of them are South Asians -- then they would have got a balanced proposal.

Of course, scholars would not always agree with the religious people and the religious people would not agree with each other, but at least you would have got a balanced set of proposals.

That has not happened. Instead, you get narrow, sectarian points of views. I am hundred percent in favour of rewriting these books but not in this way.

I believe most of the recommendations made by the ad hoc committee have been upheld despite the suggestions/alterations suggested by you. Does it surprise you, given the fact that you and Professor Wolpert made suggestions?

I have several reports from that meeting from people who were present. The proceedings were incorrect. They did not follow the mandate that they had but made it up themselves. I mean the Curriculum Commission made up their own mandate. The meeting was taken over by one of the commissioners. In simple American language, it was really a mess.

This is something for the Californians to sort out. It was not done properly by this ad hoc committee and it was dominated by one commissioner who pushed for a sectarian, unhistorical narrow approach to corrections. They also did not take into account other Hindu voices, forget about us.

Do you think...

You see the main aim is to present India in the best light which is fine. They are really trying to erase things that are negative. But there are negative things. I just do not understand why does one have to do such things? Just praise what is good. But that is never done.

Why not say we (India) had early development of maths, good surgeons and good philosophy 2000 years ago, things that are factually correct?

I always get misrepresented that I am a Hindu hater, but I am not.

I hate people who misrepresent history.

Do you agree with the perception in certain quarters that it is a victory of sorts for Hindus in America?

That is a very doubtful characterisation (laughs) if you follow this particular issue. You might be angry if you know anything about history and might not be happy.


The Rediff Interviews

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... Any more than hindu according to Kali and vedas manu ,Manu simriti etc etc.or christians by the bible or the jews by the Torah



Therefore, the Koran must be understood as an amalgamation of 2 forms of content: The message alleged to be from God to Muhammad in order to pass on to humankind. The other element are stories or passages relating to Muhammad's prophetic activity, as well as God's advice directly on Muhammad's prophetic activity.

To reiterate& quote from my earlier post

"Islam is very loose and easily feigned religion ..Any body can call himself Mousavi or Atta or Even Osama orAyman These are peope are not of religion but" Political crazy "...

Any crime is not commited by hindu ,christian jew or Muslim but by CRIMINALS .It would be like Americas Policy on Christians b/c majority of American are christians,not withstanding the fact that that rt.wing americans are quite UNCHRISTIANS

How can you attribute these destructive peoles as directive in Qoran...Any body is entitled to theorise cause and effect relation ship to a particuler incident .If you ask the terrorist some of them like to be called 'Free Dom fighters'not that i think there ways and interpretation are correct .If you say the religion of Criminal or incident of person is caused by or due to there RELIGION then there are much more incidents should be attributed to non islamic chritians in particular as they were coloniser all over the world.But again i DONT think it was there religion drove them to it
but economics or political carzyness just as fight of communism ,native Americans against Anglosaxon ,ireland against england ,Ltte against NonTamils ,Naxalites .We dont equate that to Religion.The 9/11 terrorists were not madarssa pupil,Madarsas have been the only school in india before independence and peole like Rajender Prasada,prem Chand first had only that avenue of any educatin
of course now it is primary schools .Take a look around be it Israel, palestine ,iraq ,Waziristan ,Afganistan even American dont believe they are result of any "theolgy" but fight within there areas with non citizens of that area be it Iraq Palestine Afganistan Waziristan

Color-Blind Love If Gandhi is Father (of india nation)then he does Not give permission to his children to marry 'ouside'....

some of his opinion Sadna has denied but here it is Gandhi on interracial marriage and racial equality:

“We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.”

Indian Opinion, Sep. 24, 1903

The petition dwells upon “the commingling of the Coloured and white races”. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type.

Indian Opinion Dec. 24, 1903


On the other hand the 'new ' gandhis

its no surprise that Gandhi's don't believe in marrying with there own gujju kind, . They always seem to look elsewhere .

Well I was just reading that Rahul Gandhi is now interested in marrying a hispanic women who is also studying in a University in England (Oxford i think). He is currently 39 years old is mostly likely to run the congress after Manmohan Singh finishes his term. Surprisingly Sonia Gandhi is not encouraging the hispanic women from marrying her son, because of her bad experiences!!!

So its already happened before that a foreigner is running things in india (Sonia Gandhi), but what is the probablity that it will happen once again??? Gandhi's are also known to be assisinated so probablity is high that a Rahul Gandhi can be assisinated by islamic terrorists (lol). So chances are there that his hispanic wife can become another powerful figure. I swear if another foreiner comes into power than I am removing my citizenship status!!! rather have an indian muslim as the prime minster of india than some foreigner.

Kolkata on Fire #53
I know money can buy lot of things including love ,marraige ,besids material.You can blame 90% of worlds problem on Poverty .Its a commonest denominator least controversial.

did the boy lie he was rich .Did she not frequented his 'HUT' and new fully well .
Question is of Parental acceptence
does not law give an adult to marry rich or poor as long as the parties agree to it .
For you it may be wealth for other it is religion and for other it is love. Atleast this determing factor is common in most marriages.

Kolkata on Fire #49
"looks like indian muslims are slowly but surely plugging into international jihad ideology..'.


Besharm ..from Hashimpura to Gujjuriot qatal bhi karo and blame the minority 0f 10% ..Its MORE likely BJP does this as set up to massacre muslims than muslims of india insane mind would take up 90% nonm muslims wrath

Searching for Qurratulain Hyder in a Delhi Kabristan #5 Illiterate Southy Harimou

Considering the number people who speake or whose parents became literate b/c of Urdu certainly urdu is neglected.U sitting in Tamil nagar do not know how many geniuses of India were urdu literate although there progeny has been denied that b/c OF NEGLECT .One of the factor being b/c
Pakistan adopted it s its national language and Indian muslims And Urdu became enemies in there own land...Ignoramous

How many dozens of people speake or spoke Konkini Tulu dissociate ?

And you tamil dont crib ?about northern subjugating you in all central services.Why did you tamil self immolate youself cribbing about Hindi?

Burqa is so appreciated that your famous Southern writer KAMLA DAS started wearing and converted to Islam ...nincompoop

Imran Khan at LUMS Give hope of Roti Kapra Makan
Sarak Bijli & paani
not this bunch rich urban likes so feudal useless citizens





Lawyers And Judges of India And Pakistan & INDIA are oppointed convenveniently by the party in power .
BJP govt in its stint filled the judgs and defending &prosecuting lawyers with rss and VHP leaning of them.
Even now Judiciary in India is Mockery despite being so called democracy.It is just another arm perpetuating corruption opression bias & rascism

Dont They nic name Lawers as LIARS....

After all what do they do for common citizens
Do the produce any thing except verbal diarroea and reems of paper documents.A farmer and Soldier are ral citizen for the god of country these theorists should be exiled after al no one will miss them .

Imran Khan at LUMS #61 Skeptical the cyber jehadi think if you were in this state for 60 loong yrs as Kasmiri.

Imran Khan at LUMS l0ok at Emergency of Indira Gandhi Look At Dismissal of Govt in Jharkand by Congress judges and latest preveting opposition in Kasrnataka to rule dspite having majority MLAS .You r no worse than India if not better in democracy

The Price of Loving Karl Marx Re: # 8
#8 Posted by tahmed32 on November 1, 2007 5:17:34 pm
apofomy #7: "Even the prophet was not allowed to pray for the forgiveness of his parents Marx to door kee baat hay."

This is religion as 'Made in Pakistan.' Please dont call this religion Islam. Thank you.
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May be Apofomy is wrong ,There 100 different sects with you very 'nice" bohra that you know.There are some sects having totally opposing views .Just as in Hindus Christians Jews .Are you wiling to forego all the churches in USA as to outsider it is christians as' made in USA'