Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 641

Sattar2, I really respect all your interacts and we have had decent arguments; but the thing is that we don`t even settle on some basic items --this discards anything further argued. And I have a feeling that I`m also done with this board : )

from now, I refuse to respond to all your posts which bring this fact to my attention:
[On a side note, nothing in Quran suggests that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last prophet.]



Regards,
RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 638 by subhashjoshi

ntSyed seems to be presenting ideas well, but i`d like to see urstruly`s response to this post too. Where`s he gone?

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 637 by majumdar+sattar2+ntsyed

After all the previous cool posts of mine, all of a sudden I put on an erroneous veil hein!?
:)

I was only looking through history and found how important it is to give right meanings to things and ensure that they are passed on without alterations.

Anyhow, majumdar ji and sattar2 sahib, please note that i corrected my sentence which you are very concerned about. The meaning stands corrected in post 630:

[apostate is the one who does not accept God`s declaration of Prophet M pbuh as last, singularity of God and the last book Quran and, more importantly, is involved in seditious activit(ies).]

You said you do not beleive in any of the above - I`m not going to go around and mock you and tell you or even act upon punishing you; instead, I am sure you can figure your own results with your R&D. This does not mean I`m saying you are inferior :)
Hope this clarifies.

No where in this sentence i mentioned ``Shall by punished by human beings``. I AM aware of the limitations published by Quran. Sattar2, you already know my views by now.

NtSyed, thank you for your positive comment on my age n` my following of religion: But guess what? Now I have started to wonder how old you guys are?!?!?!


RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 629 by majumdar

I said: [While apostasy is punishing one who does not accept God`s declaration of Prophet M pbuh as last, singularity of God and the last book Quran]

I realize it was important to complete the above sentence like this (And this is proly why you ask this question:)):

While apostate is the one who does not accept God`s declaration of Prophet M pbuh as last, singularity of God and the last book Quran and, more importantly, is involved in seditious activit(ies).

Thus, there only is 1 apostasy policy, really. The next step and the problem is recognition and treatment of this fact.

Definition could partially be understood from ntsyed’s post 618 too

Oops! Have I started a whole new issue?!?
RB

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 75 by taikonaut
The line after that para was supposed to define it.

[Actual events, thought process, like/dislike, opinions and actions take place before any event/movie is broadcasted. Hoping you’ll conclude something out of this yourself. ]

Meaning, it is too late to fight sex in media, for fighting off the media will not stop any relevant activities in a society.

Anyhow, is this where this topic was supposed to lead to?

What now?
RB

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Well then good for u. Lets not waste time

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 70 by soysauce

Hey dear sauce! Crackpot? Me? It seems to be you because you’ve forgotten what you wrote for ntsyed in so short a time. Alright now don’t start cryin’, you’ll be FINE!

#57 by soysauce on December 13, 2006 9:47am PT
#30 romair, look what you have done - turned an interesting board into another india-pak, hindu-muslim pissing contest.

ntsyed, shouldn`t you be reading the koran instead of engaging in useless banter?


#64 by raziab9 on December 17, 2006 6:59pm PT
Re: # 57 by soysauce
In the meanwhile, you should be cooking biryani with soysauce on it for ntsyed.
happy cookin!


So Mr Sauce, Happy cookin once again!

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 620 by suhashijoshi

I was being sarcastic by saying that a surpise is coming. Rather, this was something out of common sense after so many interacts had taken place:

This is what nysyed replied with that I didn`t want to spend time typing and explaining for you:

``What is important to understand is that denunciation of faith is not being punished here. It`s the seditious activity that is punishable by death. If one is a non-believer to begin with, then he must respect the predominant religion, lest clashes between communities are incited. For the same reason, neither can the people of majority religion force the members of minorities to convert. As far as I understand, this is perhaps the primary wisdom behind Allah`s command that no one should be forced to accept Islam. Same is true for Muslims in the non-Muslim nations, that they respect the predominant religion and practice their own religion to the extent which doesn`t clash with the majority.``

That`s all!


Life is full of surprises! Even chowk is!
RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Subhashjoshi asked: ``For example, if other religions have the same policy towards apostates, then how are you going to get converts to Islam? ``.

Islam was not a seperate entity from Christians/Jews. Things were to move on and a religion declared (Islam). People stuck in time with specific beliefs who refused to move on to accept the last book and prophet M pbuh were named/called Christian/Jews. And we are all aware that Christian/Jew scriptures have had changes made to them. Now, the policy of apostasy was to punish the practising-apostate. It was to punish the one who refuses to believe in God, his prophet(s), books, statements and instead preaches the opposit or wrong. Christian/Jew meaning of apostasy obviously altered to say `that the pratising-convert to islam/christian/jew is to be punished` while apostasy is really punishing one who does not accept God`s declaration of Prophet M pbuh as last, singularity of God and the last book Quran.

Thus, there only is 1 apostasy policy, really. The next step and the problem is recognition and treatment of this fact.

This problem HAD to be there in God` game!

RB


``Tum ik gorakh dhanda ho``

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 617 by majumdar

My opinions wouldn`t differ while living in both the countries.

In my opinion killing non-threatening apostates should be eradicated. My post 548 has more details.

PS. So you have finally enrolled in the thread : ) welcome

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 619 nysyed :D

Freely conceiding, i am 20. I`m sure anyone could ask the question you asked and even I have questioned myself against this belief (no no, not upon your reply)

However, I do not feel ready for such obligations because despite the opnions I carry, I need a stronger R&D and knowledge of religion: which i do not carry yet --that does not mean I do not wish to or atleast try to :)

Islam has some basic requirements which I strive to fullfil; This does not make me knowledgeable enough to invite others towards it [And I`m not implying that only scholars shal invite]. I`m not sure if everyone is capable of doing so. But, i certainly can be a part of such group who does. I was not raised as by a religiously practising one nor I live in a Muslim country. This passing on thing is not as simple as ``know and tell``, and I hope you agree!

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 67 by taikonaut

I have heard of them and yes plan to see `em at some point later bearing that I shall stand as a sexually non-narrow-minded while watching : )

Sexually exposed material represents that the producers/director and viewers/demanders have an acceptable behavior towards it. If any conservative group associates them to primitives and further attempts to eradicate it from their society, it is the conservative group being primeval–reason being is that at such a stage when one accepts such behaviour, they are way, way, past the right/wrong thinking phase. Teaching them the right/wrong will instead fire-up any situation where there merely will be resolutions.

Actual events, thought process, like/dislike, opinions and actions take place before any event/movie is broadcasted. Hoping you’ll conclude something out of this yourself.

Freedom of expression! Ha! Mr raheel says “You are free to express things but there are certain ways in which it should be done” –that is not freedom of expression (Freedom of expression includes the “way” one represents ideas too)

Anyhow, sexual media does not need approval; instead, it is elevating to newer levels according to demands. Whether you approve it or not, it will be there and it’s your choice to turn your eyes or minds away.

One needn’t stop millions of certain activities just to grow up ‘clean’,
RB

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 66

Keep thinking! you won`t get it.

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 65 by raheel

And those certain ways are set by raheel!

Raheel rocks!

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 57 by soysauce

In the meanwhile, you should be cooking biryani with soysauce on it for ntsyed.

happy cookin!

Sex and Censorship in the Cinema Re: # 58 by Ranjit

I thought we all understood why these attacks go on here --you shouldn`t be taking them seriously and thinking that they are what form the culture of these wo/men.

ntsyed is a respected indiv around here --it`s just that everyone mocks anyone who is at hand.

Take it easy and enjoy!