Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 572
majumdar, wanna join?!

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 570 by Urstruly

Hello Urstruly, I do not want to interupt in the relation that has taken place between you and sattar; however, what did you have to say about what I found in post 558?

#558 by raziab9 on December 14, 2006 3:17pm PT

About killing apostates. Following is what is saif for them:

Sora-e-Maida (5) 30-33
The ones who fight against God and his Prophet Mohammaed (pbuh) are to be killed on earth and they have a severe afterlife to face as well.
Note the word “fight”: do not kill ‘em until they invite people to their nominal religion; which, is a threat to Islam

Sora-e-Annisa (4) 87-89)
Don’t befriend the kafir who invites you until they leave you

Sora-e-Attaobah (9) 72-75
Be strict to the apostates and there’s quiet a punishment for them in hell


See, killing is legal only when the person poses a threat. However, God certainly will punish anyway on his own...

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 567 by Sattar2

I ready 567 of yours again and in the end you say: ``What you preach is not Islam``

I know this is directed towards urstruly. But i`d like to say that the statement is put wrong. Because this kind of teaching is not a deviation from any major statements of Islam (Do not argue that every single thing is major) it can not be said that he is not teaching Islam

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 566

Naming me an idiot was not as big a problem but I was only awed that you were hyped about me typing that post Attention to Sattar2 when infact that`s attention to all : D

And i wonder how your piss`n`spit could really sound and feel neutral to any person with decent lingo no matter what their arguments

Thirdly, I responded to any and all posts v. quick

About the paranoia: sir, it`s an outstanding argument and how can it not be a huge one --afterall it`s a question of Islamiat

peace,
RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? I did NOT address that post of mine to you. Who ever likes it addressed can reply including YOU!

Infact you initiated right after by saying: ``raziab, I can handle only one idiot at a time ... wait for your turn ...``

Thus, any comments suggestions idiot statements bombardments, keep spittin`pissin them :)

RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? people like you really can resolve issues while pissin`spitin --while they aren`t really good multitaskers. That reminds of some mullas` way of dealing with issues.

I realize you`ve been sitin` here all nite waiting for urstrulys response...

Take good care,
RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 561
I`d like have both done on your keyboard :)

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 559

I thought you were a multi-tasker ;)

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? About killing apostates. Following is what is saif for them:

Sora-e-Maida (5) 30-33
The ones who fight against God and his Prophet Mohammaed (pbuh) are to be killed on earth and they have a severe afterlife to face as well.
Note the word “fight”: do not kill ‘em until they invite people to their nominal religion; which, is a threat to Islam

Sora-e-Annisa (4) 87-89)
Don’t befriend the kafir who invites you until they leave you

Sora-e-Attaobah (9) 72-75
Be strict to the apostates and there’s quiet a punishment for them in hell


See, killing is legal only when the person poses a threat. However, God certainly will punish anyway on his own!

Why Ahmadis are an issue is because they claim to be Muslims and do not accept a Muslmaiat fact that makes one a Muslim: Prophet Mohammad pbuh was the last prophet -- period. Thus, they no longer are Muslims

Not just that but they also, ofcourse, invite people to their religion: Which is a threat to Islam --not to their ``Islam``. This kicked them out of Pakistan. And yes, they were killed too. Both verses practised.

RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Aha! We started off when i simply added on the stuff remember? ``I replied to you not in defence but to add on to what the religion adds in Pakistani law``

However, you and I are officially off the line :)

RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Oh PS: i certainly go against the ratass-mullas and how they`ve killed apostates --it seemed more of a personal pleasure for them and maybe a means of opening the nominal heavens gates. However, the argument seemed to have adopted the pro-mullah thing in your mind for me. that`s not the case as i do take them into account.

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 542

I didn`t say that they must be punished by humans. notice earlier that i claimed free of that.
You call it bias -arite. i did not refuse from backing up: ``I`ll have to pull it out and present it to you later time. ``

Ahem, calm down.

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 537

See that`s the difference. Ahmadies have changed the contents of the holy book.

Prophet Mohammed claimed that he had literally completed the religion`s text and the religion itself. In Quran it does tell that Prophet M is the last one. I`ll have to pull it out and present it to you later time.

And yes, the punishment is also stated for apostates. Islam is lenient but there are some major major things that can not be altered.

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 532 by Sattar2

[And where in Islam did you come up with the notion of punishing a person who claims to be a Muslim?]

I did not come with that notion --it already exists.

[do note that Ahmadi-Muslims fully believe in Quran, articles of faith in Islam, and truthfulness and prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). How can you justifiably consider them non-Muslims? I don’t necessarily need an answer from you … this is supposed to make you think and question your own views.]

As I said, being a Muslim is not a mediocre thing. Believing in the last Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) is a crutial part of being a Muslim. Oh and you bet Ahmadis practise their stream well --Very organized too. I have no comments on if it was good or bad to kick out Ahmadis.

Again, I`m not a religion fan who`s going to decide who is Muslim as, yes, God does ask you to stop wandering about who the hell is the real Momin and who`s not --resulting in hell/heaven decision: they are his to make.

I``m not claiming to be a shia/sunni/ahmadi either :)

The Clash of Stupidities Re: # 50 by karachi01

No no, we`re only upto believing what we`ve been exposed to :) limited learning that`s called. maybe biased.

:)
RB

Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible? Re: # 528 + 527
I`m sure there are quiet some cowards sitting in India interpretting things wrong too.
And baby if that happens accross the border, it just comes to a quick note eh?! Things happen and yes, Pakistan is not the best country in the world but hey it is one.

And yup, Thanks to Jinah Sahib who freed us from the female-killing bunch, a huge one! So now we`re alive.

PS. Jinnah being a good one to free yall is an ol ol idea. Get over the fun.