Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen Re: # 32

So you think Asma Bint Marwan should have been murdered? So should Taslima. Hey dummy fyi some clerics in Saudi Arabia think the same applies to Shias. Are they Hindus? Obviously you have no problem with Maulana!@!@#.

The starting point for all of this is how Mohammed dealt with those who did not get his message. DEATH to them. Now the violence spewed by Lal Masjid clerics is quite plausibly an extension of this mindset.

Prophet wasn`t perfect, get over it, deal with it. Stop killing people because of it.

Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen Re: # 28

Oh please, how about all the people who have been killed or assaulted? Too long to list. How much money and fame did Asma Bint Marwan get? Why is everyone avoiding ansering this?

If Islam is so peaceful why is there a new death sentence to anyone who dares digress?

Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen Re: # 26

So questioning the murder of Asma Bint Marwan is insulting Islam? Funny I guess you are in agreement that Taslima needs to be beheaded. Do you have any other people to add to the list? Typical reaction from closeminded indiviudal who demands tolerance from the whole world to justify his own brand of intolerence. I can appreciate the many great contributions of Mohammed but that doesn`t mean that he is beyond reproach because there are nutcases (like Maulana)who are prepared to kill anyone who disagrees.

I have been on pakistaniat.com and sorry to disappoint you but their are conflicting views their as well. The mullah of Lal Masjid is not inciting to kill Hindus or Sikhs but fellow Muslims! He has plenty of inspiration form Mohammed on how to murder those who digress of course it is with the highest motivation; to achieve a peaceful Islamic society. How any literate peron can accept such convoluted logic is beyond me. PS Why is it only Islamic societies who dispense death penalty for critizing Mohammed? Why the harsh reprimand? Do Buddhists kill those who think Buddha is a joke or would rather follow Islam?

Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen If you can justify the cold blooded murder of Asma Bint Marwan (I think she was suckling one of her children) then your argument might have weight.

If he is so laudable and great why the anger at people who disagree. Buddha strived to alleviate human suffereing but did not have to incite muder, looting and mayhem to do it.

I think Mohammed was more of a charlatan. Everytime he wanted something (like marrying Zainab) miraclously Allah allowed him to do so. Many cult leaders are not motivated by wealth or material gain but the lust for power and do implement positive effects on their population/followers.

I don`t think you have read this article or even really thought about why Muslim countries in particular are so reactionary to any opposing view of Mohammed, in fact preferring any critic to be put to death.

The real problem is that just as you might find him a source of inspiration others might see him in a very different light and they should not be killed for this! I find your phrase ``How he dealth with propaganda etc.. was his perogative`` extremely disturbing. They way he dealth with them was usually utterly barbaric and is also part of his legacy which continues today in Saudi Arabia, Lal Masjid etc...

Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen Re: # 22

Respect is earned. Behavior of Mohammed was abdominable for much of his life. Mastermind at manipulating, bullying and orchestrating group dynamics. Appeals to the lowest common denominator. That is why its so popular with people. Just like
Howard Stern radio show.

Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen Re: # 20

Are you aware of the numerous inconsistencies in your post. How are the disciple of Islam embracing extremism. Clearly Mohammed himself would have wanted Taslima beheaded or dismebowled or whatever if he were alive today. His actions are similar to any cult leader. How do you defend the murder of the poetess Asma Bint Marwan? Please I am REALLY curious to understand how Muslims sanction the cold blooded murder of a mother. Spare me the usual blah blah of Bulleh Shah, tolerance of Sufi etc... Why should you be flabbergasted by Lal Masjid they are articulating and encouraging the mindest of Mohammed are they not?

So you have not read her work! Big suprise. How is she cashing in? I know so many individuals who feel as she does but do not want to go thru the hassles of being endlessly harrassed.

Please justify the deaths and murder commanded by you peaceful prophet so all of us in the dark can understand what is going on now is a western conspiracy. Esp the death of Asma Bint Marwan. Please explain.

God is a Metaphor Re: # 154

Zeemax , I noticed you ignored my last post as well as Raw_Dust question. Just wondering since you are on the topic of disgust. Does a 54 yr old man marrying and having a sexual relationship with a nine year old while having other ongoing sexual relationship sound pleasing to you. If a 54 yr old devout Muslim proposed to your seven year old niece would it delight you. Would you attend the Nikah and have a Suhaag ki Raat for them. Please answer.

Girls Gone Wild Re: # 1547

Muslims give people the creeps...yeah that means practically all non-Muslims because ALL they do is talk about Islam, how great it is, how perfect Mohammed is, how glorious it is blah, blah. Any reasonable person who scratches beneath the surface is disturbed by many facets of specifically it`s essentially facist doctrine. Al lot of these converts were non Arabic speakers and did not know what they were getting into. It persists because of brainwashing that starts in childhood and severe penalites and osctracization for anyone who leaves or begs to differ.

One observation I have seen is that typically the most intelligent and thoughtful ones like Dr. Sohail leave the fold and typically new converts are the sad sorry sacks from other societies.

Islam also has the unfortunate effect of bringing out militancy in even the most peaceful tolerant societies. People get sick of hearing fatwa this fatwa that. Always someone should die for thei religion of peace.

Unless some huge reformation happens this society will rot and the high birth rates won`t help.

Girls Gone Wild Re: # 1527

Ok I agree not enough has been done for these women. I am not Pakistani but am aware of some of the social ills. What I have noted though that wealth is in the hand of the few and maulvis usually are just as exploitative. Ironically Hezbollah is the only religious affilliated organization that has been very effective in building infrastructure, providing basic healthcare. It is maligned in the West for other reasons. Generally speaking though mullah mindset holds people back.

Admire your passion for helping people out of poverty. What is Pakistani NRI community doing? I know lots of Indians are building schools etc.., tackling small development problems. There should be exchange of info so best strategies are employed.

Girls Gone Wild Re: # 1524
Why would there be rivers of blood. Islam is about peace. All Muslims are tolerant and get along when no Kafirs are around.

Girls Gone Wild I never said there is no place for force or aggression but its a whole different ballpark when you glorify violence.

For example to an outsider a person like Zeena is a freak. She is defending mob violence of Jamia Hafsa and their puritanical zeal all based on a man who at 54 had sex with a nine year old simultaneously having sex with other women. The reward for this holier than thou behavior and repression is sex with 72 virgins. Like huh? Sounds pretty contrived and convoluted but it all makes sense to Zeena because according to her: ``Allah said so``

Girls Gone Wild Re: # 1513

I will add one more. Reading your posts I appreciate the distaste that many non-believers have towards Islam. Specifically the founder of this relgion engaged in military battles and as a faith was spread via violence or the threat of violence. I love the letter to the Persian king that goes something like``We have the truth, eith convert, pay jirzya or we will invade`` This is a religion of peace? Also he carried on sexually with a lot of nublie young women,ok ok they were all political matches all the while making up sexually restictive rules that Allah miraculously allowed him to break. Uh yeah.

No other religion has so much violence and bloodshed and raping and abducting of slavegirls. Can you imagine Christ behaving like this? Its just weird how people bend over backwards to defent the indefinsible specifically Mo marriage to nine year old Aisha. So creepy.

If Godhra did not happen…

God is a Metaphor Re: # 99

Zeemax here`s a synopsis:

Given your upbringing it might be okay for a fiftysomething man to have sexual relations with a nine year old while haveing ongoing sexual relations with other women. Your impetus to live life a certain way is so in after life you to can emulate this great example and have sexual relations with a variety of women in an ongoing manner. I asked a German colleague of mine if he would object to having his daughter in such a situation and he was horrified.

So what Dr. Sohail and god knows so many people have tried but unsuccessfully communicate to you is that what is normal to you is determined by your culture and religion and it might give people from other societies the real creeps. Get it?

Girls Gone Wild Re: # 1392

True islam or true stupidity, take your pick coz either one requires lobotmy.

God is a Metaphor Re: # 81


Joint family living does not necessitate consanguinous marriages. Various Hindu, Sikh, Chinese families live in such arragnements. When everyone is on the same page you are correct there is a lot of warmth and support. However there are plenty of disaster stories as well.

Btw not all Muslim communities have high rates of intermarriage. Ie Turkey esp western parts it is uncommon and among Persians it is fowned upon by educated classes. Defn orthodoxy and social constraints are highly correlated with is incidence, Saudi Arabia the most obvious. In Great Britian there have been honor killings punishing girls who have found their own partner (even if he is a Pakistani Muslim) as opposed to going along with a pre-ordained arranged match with a cousin back home. I recently was at the house of an acquaintance and there was this very sweet elderly Pakistani lady talking about her grandchildren, I couldn`t follow what she was saying because she was talking in Punjabi. Later my friend explained that she was sizing them up to see how to match up her grandchildren as potential partners.

I am not sure why this is not taken up by the sizable Pakistani medical community and public health initiative developped to address this. It is easily addressed by seeking alternatives to cousin marriages. What Khurram is really addressing is not having the need to ever forbid cousin marriages which is okay for societies where they are an anomly but most defn not for societies where they are common place.