Raiwind IX Re: # 55

FYI: Abu Safwaan is also the name of one of Lawrence of Arabia`s lovers. Is that why you choose you moniker? I knew you had a thing for blondes :D. Sorry Beckham is married and straight.

Raiwind IX Re: # 71

Q: What`s a multinicker?

Raiwind IX Re: # 68

All people regardless of religion are equal as per Quran? That`s news to me! You mean agnostics, atheists, Taoists, Buddhists etc...? So according to the Quran if my Persian friend converts to Christianity after marrying a Chinese Christian she is not supposed to be stoned to death? According to her that is the prescribed punishment and its exactly what the highest moral authority would decide in Iran let alone other Muslim nations. Egregious crimes, mob rule, fanaticism, intolerance, racism, elitism exist everywhere. I think Islamic nations are unique in having their highest moral authority sanction the death sentence for apostasy. Oh and the equality bit...please you have got to be kidding. Go to the Gulf states and look at their labor laws.

Raiwind IX Re: # 66

Interesting...I am familiar with most of it. The stories of the prophet cannodling with the young Coptic slavegirl much to the annoyance of his wives is no news to me. Neither is the promise of young boys in heaven or Arab imperialism masked as a faith.

Hey Abu here is a link on the long history of pederasty in the Islamic world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_the_Islamic_lands

Your holy prophet himself warned about the temptions of beardless youth. Part and parcel of the sexual hypocrisy that Islam perpetuates. The criticism of western licentiousness is a joke...Muslims societies have long been considered a gay man`s heaven. A lot of the Orientalists were drawn to Arabia for this very reason. Kind of explains how a group of men can sustain themselves in remote hidden caves. I mean are they actually celibate?

Last question Abu, so please remind us who have your ancestors been riding? Or should I ask who is riding you :)?

Raiwind IX Re: # 42

You don`t seem to understand. The indepth report attempted to compare groups by matching families by socioeconomic factors and the educational background of parents and even then Indians did much better than other groups. In fact Indian Muslims ranked higher than Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. It is a topic of curiosity among Britishers themselves as I was asked by a visiting professor at MIT why this was the case. What I am trying to communicate is that the daughter of a Gujerati tailor who is Hindu will do much better academically than a daughter of a tailor who is Paksitani/ Bangladeshi. I will find try to find the report (it is online) and post it. The most underperforming group is actually Pakistani boys. This is not somehting I find amusing or am gloating about. It is distressing. Similar trends are occuring in Canada. Also when you consider there is something like 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world it has not gone unnoticed that in the most intellectually rigorous fields they are sorely underrepresented. Take cryptography for instance I have a cousin doing his Phd at a top institiute. Who dominates the field? Jews, Chinese, Indians and Europeans (far fewer Americans). You can look up top research labs across the world and the same holds true.

A renowned Swedish scientist remarked privately that the two groups you will rarley come across doing cutting edge research are Arabs and Blacks. Much to do has been made about the Golden Age of Islam but if you scratch beneath the surface you will realize the the Arabs for the large part incubated knowledge from Persians, Indians etc... and transmitted it to Europe. In fact the original translator give generous due to original sources. The latest UN report about the Arab world is a damning one, its the only place where literacy is decreasing! There is not culture of reading and intellectual inquisitiveness. I am talking about countries that have billions of dollars of oil wealth. But the question is why have they failed to produce students that are vied for across the world? I mean the head of Oxford Chris Patten is traveling to India to entice students to study at Oxford and he publicly stated he has to in order to compete with like of Harvard, Stanford etc...Can you honestly imagine him or anyone doing the same for Muslim students? It amuses me to no end the wholesale derision some Pakistanis have for Indic culture while having reverence for Arabic culture. Funny no one else in the world shares that tendency. That includes btw Chinese and Japanese.

Raiwind IX You sound like a frustrated loser. Please don`t in the fit of ``feeling humiliated`` and ``angry`` at the world blow yourself up. Life at the bottom can be good, just accept that the whole world is moving forward and you can fantasize about beheadings, chopping of hands like the good old days in the seventh century. Were you featured in Melanie Phillips ``Londonstan``? Maybe you can star in the stage version of her book.

Raiwind IX Re: # 21

Thanks for proving my theory. Your inabilty to provide a cogent intelligent response is emblematic of the problem.

Why did you assume I was a Hindu? Because I sound rational?

Raiwind IX Re: # 20
Uh, yeah like what ever. Last I heard Europeans, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese don`t marry their relatives generation after generation. Leads to retardation. Ok that`s an extreme statement but it does have a deleterious impact. A colleague of mine is a pathologist and Saudi Arabia is a goldmine for research puposes because the same families marry one another. I don`t think you have to be an Einstein to realize that if you marry first cousins after three generation its like a brother and sister marrying. The ancient Egyptians practised such degrees of intermarriage. A lot of Muslim physician recognize this is a serious issue but it is a loaded one and difficult to broach.

Many immigrants from varying backgrounds, have strong family values with an emphasis on education and want their children not to fall into Western excesses. As a physician I have never seen an Indian, Korean or Chinese single mom. But yes have been consulted on ``consanguinity`` cases and yes you guessed it the only group that has a penchant for marrying their relatives are Muslims. the reason for the consult is the higher rate of all sort of genetic problems. There has not been a study on intellectual development or learning disabilities as of yet. Typically the lagging performance is blamed entirely on racism but Chinese were bonded laborers, had to pay special taxes just to live, were barred from white establishments but their descendents do much better I be than the Muslim immigrants in Europe even though they start out in the same place.

Raiwind IX Re: # 13

What an insighful summary of the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita. But hey you are no Shopenhauer (Do you even know who he is?). Are your parents cousins? That would explain a lot. I mean the British health minister had to ask the Paksitani community to stop marrying their own relative as the have the highest incidence of recessive genetic diseases. Also it would be part of why in the recent education report while Indian rank far higher than white Pakistani/Bangladeshis rank near the bottom. This even holds true after controlling for socioeconomic status and parental education. Similar patterns exist in Canada and the States.

Raiwind IX Re: # 8

Well actually converts to Hinduism, and Buddhism tend to come from more educated, intelligent backgrounds. Muslims converts either happen in jail or end up in jail. At least in the West.

I think the fact that your fellow believers are required to kill you if you ever leave Islam has to do with who stays. Guess its what makes Islam so ``special``. But since it is a divine injunction we shouldn`t question it. An arab once remarked that the beauty of Islam is that you don`t have to think, every aspect of life is instructed. I guess you follow this to a tee.

Justice, Judiciary and Journalist

Trapped, surrounded, quarantined or just reading too much into it? You can thank Zeemax and his ilk that Pakistan from its inception has focussed on an anti-India stance that will ultimtely lead to its demise. The Pak army needs to brainwash the masses that the Indians are going to cross over at any moment. That way no one will challenge the fact that they rule the roost. Like US and China are some great friends of Pakistan or Muslims in general. Lets see Pakistani jehadis take up the cause of oppressed Muslims in China, like maybe bomb Hong Kong stock market. People like Zeemax are all talk, they have done more harm to disenfranchise Pakistani youth and limit their opportunities more than any Indian, Westerner etc... Its called WRONG FOCUS!

Trapped, surrounded, quarantined or just reading too much into it? That is not the gist of the article...converting anyone is so stupid. What caste will they get?

I agree with Salim. India is intersting because of the multitude of different influences. Homogeity is dull. Taliban and Hindutva have the same monomaniacal vision.

Religion and identity politics are secondary to stemming the Talibanisation of Pakistan and uplifting approx 300 million Indian who are STILL malnourished inspite of recent economic gains. Education, tolerance, and fostering economic prosperity is the only way the Subcontinent can succeed. Look at Europe, they spent the last century trying to kill one another and now live in peace and harmony.

Trapped, surrounded, quarantined or just reading too much into it?

Trapped, surrounded, quarantined or just reading too much into it? Here is more info about Farhat Hashmi:

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/17996.shtml


Unless you have seen her on TV try to picture the Austalian imam who spoke about uncovered women as meat. She uses other tactics but similar mindset and goals. Lots of her ilk preaching the benefits of jannat etc.. I mean so what is Pakistani students do poor academically compared to other Asian groups in Canada and Britain? Largest Islamic school is being built in Edmonton. Funny no other group so strenously attempts to keep their kids away from secular influences. Chinese were severely discriminated in Canada. Many of them are proud of their heritage and values but their parents emphasize education and learning above all else same with Indians. And no they will not cart their kids of to listen to the likes of Farhat.

Trapped, surrounded, quarantined or just reading too much into it? This is not a Hindu-Muslim issue. FYI Turkey, Malaysia, Tunisia do not have the same ``brand`` recognition that Pakistan does. Also you might be suprised but not too many other Muslims like to be lumped in with Pakistanis. This is global, hell even Uzbeks ancestors of the various Muslims migrations to the sub-continent have a better opinion of Indians. Palestinians do not forget the day their fellow Muslims opened fire on them in Jordan. Remember Zia? I know Bangaldeshi`s who to this day avoid Pakistanis out of collective experience during the war of 71. Check out the look on an Iranian guys face the next time you mistake him for a Pakistani. The concept of nationhood has to be defined on something more weighty than ``We are not Indian, We hate hindus``.