India: The Empire Strikes Back Re: # 6
"PS: if Indians wag their heads, why would that make you dizzy? Shouldn't they be the ones who go dizzy?

Well if one constantly watches & imitates, then one is bound to get pretty dizzy & disoriented!

Mobile Phone Ideas JP, Good funny read;

BTW there is a social revolution happening among males in India..

No longer is "mine is bigger than yours" relevant but "yours is smaller and has more features" a sure sign of higher social standing :)

The \'poor\' Neighbour Heh He....

Mushy, having pocketed 5 Billion US$ is in ape shit...and clueless like his country..

Musharraf in serious trouble, says South Asia expert
Monday 20th August, 2007
(ANI)
Washington, Aug 20 : Noted South Asia expert Teresita C Schaffer feels that Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf, who has been the centrepiece of US policymaking in the region, is in "serious trouble" ahead of the elections in the country.

According to Schaffer, of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Musharraf is facing an awakened political opposition in Pakistan, though not a united one.

Schaffer said in a recent interview to the Council on Foreign Relations that the trouble for Musharraf lies in the fact that many people think it is in some sense democratically inappropriate for the President to get himself elected by assemblies that are about to be abolished.

That is going to be a focus for political protest, Schaffer said, adding that the more complicated issue, however, is that Musharraf wants to run as a general and head of the army.

She said that Musharraf's second source of trouble is related to domestic extremism, following the Lal Masjid episode.

The Daily Times quoted Schaffer as saying that the problem started with Musharraf's decision to send in the army to the Lal Masjid in Islamabad. The aftermath of that decision has been a string of violence that is unmatched in the Capital, as well as in the areas near the Afghan border, and also far away from that.

She said the violence in Pakistan since the Lal Masjid operation may lead to rethinking among army leaders on the value of maintaining extremists in the country as a political force.

"We need to watch and see if they have really decided they need to put these people out of business. If they have, that would be an important policy turn for the United States. To be fair, it's a high-risk policy, but there are no risk-free policies in today's Pakistan," she said.

However, she added that Musharraf's basic approach to the extremists, both the domestic ones and those on the Afghan circuit, has been to hedge-- try to keep them under control, but not to put them out of business.

The third problem the General faces, according to her, is the traditional feud with India. Schaffer said that Kashmir is the "poster child" for this dispute, but by no means the only part of it.

At the moment, India and Pakistan have a going. It's not clear that this dialogue is going to accomplish anything much in the near term, but at least it represents a decision by both governments that they would rather talk than squabble, she said.

Rise of Hindu Right Wing Ideology Re: # 23 inside india:

Sure, lets do it..Hyderabad sounds good..Folio who is a Hyderabadi must be given a high office of honor :)

You must fix yourself a title..Quaid-e-Dawakhana or some jazz like that..

What are you going to call this place..I suggest Pak-e-Delusions..or Dream-on-Pak ver 2.2...

Rise of Hindu Right Wing Ideology Dawa...you are a visionary..you need to show the way to these poor folks..This is where your madrassa education and upbringing could be put to max use...

Send us a detailed proposal of where you want Pakistan version 2.2 to come.Ensure all bugs and flaws of version 1 & 1.1 are removed; if possible...

PS: You may want to release the beta version in sind, Baluchistan & Nwfp as a trial before actual release..

A Pakistani-American in India All this BS of tall buildings and Karachi's skyline is meaningless & purely delusional as Pakistan still figures in the list of failed states....

LAHORE: Pakistan has been ranked the 12th most unstable country in the world, according to the 2007 Failed State Index while Sudan has topped the infamous list for the second year in a row.

While Afghanistan is ranked eighth, Pakistan is ahead of North Korea at 13th. Sudan has been placed on top of the index, largely because of the humanitarian catastrophe in Darfur. The Foreign Policy magazine issued the index.

Pakistan was widely perceived as "a failed state' at the turn of the century. The economy turned around gradually after the US poured in funds and arms in the wake of 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan.

Pakistan's highest scores were for 'security apparatus' (9.5), 'factionalised elites' (9.5) and 'group grievance' (9.0). Its best score was for the economy (5.8).

The experiences of Iraq, as well as Afghanistan, show that billions of dollars in aid may be futile unless accompanied by a functioning government.

Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement Pakistan weighs state of emergency
Musharraf cancels trip to Afghanistan. He is to convene his Cabinet and other senior officials today to discuss the step.
By Laura King
August 9, 2007


President Pervez Musharraf, who for months has been under enormous domestic political pressure to step aside or give up his role as army chief, was considering imposing a state of emergency, news reports and senior Pakistani officials said early today.

Musharraf, considered a key U.S. ally, was to convene his Cabinet and other senior officials later today to discuss the step, which would give his government wide-ranging powers, including the ability to restrict opposition political activities, postpone elections and dissolve parliament.

Political opponents expressed deep concern over the prospective move, reports of which came hours after Musharraf abruptly canceled a scheduled trip to the Afghan capital, Kabul, where he was to have taken part in a meeting aimed at combating the presence of insurgents in the tribal belt that straddles the Afghan-Pakistani border.

An emergency declaration would mark a dramatic escalation in the political turmoil that has gripped Pakistan over the last five months, beginning with Musharraf's attempt in March to oust the independent-minded chief justice, Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry.

Heightened instability in Pakistan would have repercussions far beyond its borders. The U.S. says Musharraf has been a crucial ally against Taliban and Al Qaeda militants in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks.

At the same time, the Bush administration has been pressing the Pakistani leader hard to deprive the insurgents of sanctuary in the rugged, remote borderlands, particularly after last month's National Intelligence Estimate said Islamic militants had been able to regroup and rearm themselves, using Pakistan's frontier zone as a base.

Musharraf, who seized power nearly eight years ago in a coup, has seen his popularity plunge to an all-time low amid widespread dissatisfaction over his plans to continue as president while retaining his post as the chief of Pakistan's powerful military.

Chaudhry, who was reinstated by the Supreme Court last month, presents a potential impediment to Musharraf's plans to have the outgoing parliament that he controls elect him to another five-year term as president.

The high court today was scheduled to hear an appeal by former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who was overthrown by Musharraf in 1999 and then exiled. Sharif, like former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, who also is living in exile, has said he wants to return to Pakistan to contest parliamentary elections to take place by early 2008.

Musharraf has declared he will not allow their return.

Two senior Pakistani officials, speaking on condition of anonymity and without providing details, said the emergency measure was being weighed because of Pakistan's deteriorating security situation. Pakistan's minister of state for information, Tariq Azim Khan, speaking to the Associated Press, cited "external and internal threats" facing the country.

Pakistan has been angry over official and unofficial suggestions by U.S. politicians that American forces unilaterally strike Al Qaeda figures believed to be taking shelter in Pakistan's tribal lands if Musharraf's government fails to do so.

Pakistan, which is in the midst of a major military offensive against militants in the semiautonomous border region, said any such U.S. action would violate its sovereignty.

The country in recent weeks has been plagued by suicide bombings and other attacks by Islamic militants angry over the storming of a radical mosque in the capital nearly a month ago. More than 100 people died in the raid by government forces on the Red Mosque, and at least another 250 have been killed in suicide attacks and fighting since then.

Pakistan reinforced its troop presence in the tribal areas, and a 9-month-old truce with militants in volatile North Waziristan broke down.

Musharraf's opponents questioned whether the level of violence alone was sufficient to justify an emergency declaration, suggesting his motives might be political. Bhutto, who has been in talks with Musharraf about a potential power-sharing arrangement, told Pakistan's GEO television from New York that a state of emergency would be "a negative step for the restoration of democracy."

The Bush administration was apparently caught off-guard by Musharraf's sudden announcement Wednesday that he would not attend a traditional council, or jirga, in the Afghan capital. He was to have opened the gathering today with the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai.

Musharraf said he was sending his prime minister, Shaukat Aziz, in his stead because he had other engagements in Islamabad, the capital.

--

laura.king@latimes.com

Special correspondent Mubashir Zaidi in Islamabad contributed to this report.

Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement The real meaning of what this tahmed dude is offering is this...

Pls come to pakiland, I shall be your guest..pls invite all your near, dear ones to accompany you...if possible get your neighbours too..the only criterion, they must all be hindus...

I shall take you to Katas Raj temple wherein I get an "have to take" call on my mobile and I shall then move away from the group as far as possible without seeming to run away...

A suicide bomber, set up by this dude in advance then appears and you know the rest.....

The only dampner could be...are there mobile phones in Pakiland?

The New Bedfellows Well, can anybody who is relatively sane and not delusional explain this.......

"The Hindus and the Muslims could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of...oneness of God....On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods....There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking.

Ok so why are there more Muslims in India after Pakiland was created.....the "amalgamation" ought not to have happened, if one were delusional enough to believe this tripe......

The New Bedfellows Some extracts from Pakistani text-books...
These are extracts from government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing (NCW) of the Federal Ministry of Education:
General:
'Who is a Hindu? A Hindu is an enemy of Islam'

'Before the Arab conquest, people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists & Hindus. Before the arrival of Islam in India, people lived in untold misery'.

'European nations have been working during the past three centuries to subjugate countries of the Muslim world'.

Class IV Text Book:

* The Muslims of Pakistan provided all facilities to the Hindus and the Sikhs who left for India in 1947. But the Hindus and the Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both hands and they attacked their caravans, buses and railway trains. Therefore, about one million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan.

* The Hindus treated the ancient population of the Indus Valley very badly. They set fire to their houses and butchered them.

* The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect women.

Class V Text Book:

* After the war of 1965, India with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, incited the people of East Pakistan against West Pakistanis. In December 1971, the Indians themselves also attacked East Pakistan. As a result East Pakistan separated from us. We should all receive military training so that we can foil the designs of the enemy in the future. (By implication, not even a single Muslim in East Pakistan, including Mujibur Rehman, fought against West Pakistanis in 1971)

* The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.

Class VI Text Book:

* In the middle of the city of Deebal (Sindh), there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd bin Qasim found out about this. The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim's army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well many Hindus converted to Islam.

* Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists and Hindus.

* The foundation of the Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.

* The Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the British.

* The Hindus used to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions.

Class VII Text Book:

* Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever-increasing compound interest.

* History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the Crusades.

* European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through conspiracies or naked aggression, to subjugate countries of the Muslim world. Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilisation.

* The Hindus too wished to ruin Muslim civilisation and culture by destroying Urdu which has been closely associated with the Pakistan Movement.

Class VIII Text Book:

* During the Khilafat Movement Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to cooperate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslim re-emerged.

* Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.

Class IX Text Book:

* The Hindus and the Muslims could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of...oneness of God....On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods....There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking.

* In connivance with the (British) government the Hindus started communal riots and caused loss of life and property. At the time of prayers the Hindus tortured the Muslims by playing music in front of the mosques. Before the commencement of classes the students saluted the portrait of Mahatma Gandhi and Muslim students were also forced to do so.

* Muslims promoted equality and social justice as against the division created by the Hindu caste system.

Class X Text Book:

* The ideology of Pakistan...was a revolt against the prevailing system of India in which Hindu nationalism was imposed on the Muslims.

* Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood.... There is no such concept in Hinduism. Moreover Islam preaches brotherhood, equality and justice.... On the other hand, the Hindu society is based on caste system which downgrades the entire mankind.

* After the establishment of Pakistan the Hindus and Sikhs created a day of doom for the Muslims in East Punjab.

* The Hindus were encouraged by the (British) government to force the Muslims to join the Congress.

(These extracts have been translated from Urdu which is the standard medium of instruction in Government Schools in Pakistan)

Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement Yada Yada ....This is the mess called PAKILAND...and what every Paki is viewed across the world when he shows his passport...or has links to Pakiland.
Pak Army repeating its mistakes of ’71: LashkarAds By

The Pakistani Army is repeating the mistakes it committed in 1971 in East Pakistan by taking on militant Islamists in the country today, the Lashkar-e-Taiba has warned in a recent statement posted on its website jamatdawah.org.

"Unfortunately, our rulers are making Pakistan's armed forces commit the same mistakes that they had previously committed in East Pakistan… the situation, therefore, is becoming critical with every passing day," the statement said.

The Lashkar — which functions under the Jamaat-ud-Dawa — is ‘banned’ in Pakistan. But its chief Hafiz Saeed continues his weekly sermons which receive wide publicity on the website that is updated regularly.

The Lashkar argues that the army’s action against militant Islamists in Pakistan today is as unpopular as what the khakis did in East Pakistan in 1971 — when Yahya Khan and other generals played a “despicable role” in “destroying the morals” of unit commanders by participating in and encouraging acts of “licentiousness and lewdness”.

"The result was widespread hatred against the army in East Pakistan and it had to fight a war against its own people," the Lashkar said.
The organisation’s warnings are a pointer to the dangers posed by militant Islamists in Pakistan, which has long received sustenance from the country’s military.

The statement claimed the army’s reputation had been tainted by the Lal Masjid incident, adding that Pakistan’s rulers must “apologise to the nation for the debacle”.

Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement Lets get some more Pakis in a knot....

PPP likely to sweep polls in Pakistan: Survey
Islamabad, Aug. 3 (PTI): Former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's party is likely to sweep the general elections scheduled to be held later this year, according to an opinion poll.

About 58 per cent people in Sindh, 33 per cent in Balochistan, 23 per cent in Punjab and 25 per cent in North West Frontier Province (NWFP) wanted to see Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) in power, the poll conducted by the US-based International Republican Institute (IRI) said.

The survey, carried out between June 13 and July 3, showed that self-exiled Bhutto has overtaken President Pervez Musharraf in popularity ratings.

"The survey should serve as an eye-opener to those who advocate the idea of a non-representative government for Pakistan. The majority of Pakistanis are very clear in their minds about the future set up for their country.

"They want a democratic government and a strong Parliament to represent them, and work for their welfare," Sherry Rehman, Central Information Secretary of PPP, said while releasing part of the results of the poll.

After the results of the comprehensive survey, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind about the choices people want to make in Pakistan, she said in a statement here today.

"Despite suffering a decade of political mudslinging and a spate of attempts at breaking its back, the PPP remains the most popular party with the masses, enjoying a strong support base in the rural areas, (among) labourers and low-income households that comprises the majority of Pakistan," she said.

Pakistan: A Downward Spiral? #46 Posted by zeemax on August 2, 2007 5:55:08 am
#42/43

Did it ever occur to hindooo idiots who do nothing but c/p news reports that Pakistanis have already read the newspapers?

Really..Is this a capability statement or a capacity statement, moron...

Pakistan: A Downward Spiral? Pakiland's way of drumming support from the Democrats ...

Pakistan slams 'ignorant' Obama threat Article

August 02, 2007 08:57pm
PAKISTAN accused Democratic US presidential candidate Barack Obama of "sheer ignorance" today for threatening to launch US military strikes against al-Qaeda on Pakistani soil.

Mr Obama warned today that if he is elected president, he would order US forces to hit extremist targets on Pakistan's frontier with Afghanistan if embattled military ruler President Pervez Musharraf failed to act.

"Such statements are being made out of sheer ignorance," Pakistan's Minister of State for Information, Tariq Azeem, said.

"They are not fully apprised about the ground realities and not aware of the efforts by Pakistan."

Islamabad has bristled against a string of similar threats in recent weeks by the administration of US President George W. Bush, whose top counter-terror official in July refused to rule out US strikes in Pakistan.

Mr Musharraf, struggling to contain a wave of Islamist violence unleashed by the army's bloody storming of the radical Red Mosque in Islamabad three weeks ago, himself firmly rejected any US action last week.

"We have said before that we will not allow anyone to infringe our sovereignty," Mr Azeem said.

"If there is any actionable intelligence they should tell us and only our forces will take action on it and they are quite capable of it."

The minister suggested that Mr Obama's comments were prompted by Washington's inability to curb the ongoing Taliban insurgency in neighbouring Afghanistan, where US-led forces toppled the hardline regime in late 2001.

"This seems to be a reaction to their own failure in Afghanistan to control the US casualties and instead of addressing the situation there, they are finding scapegoats and damaging their own cause," Mr Azeem added.

Pakistan foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam today warned against "point-scoring" by US presidential candidates on vital security issues.

Mr Musharraf abandoned Islamabad's support for the Taliban in the wake of the 9/11 attacks on the US.

He has said that a top US official warned that Pakistan would be bombed back to the "stone age" if it failed to join Washington's "war on terror".

Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals Name Change Request??

Islamists want Pakistan province called Afghania
ISLAMABAD: An Islamic alliance ruling Pakistan's North West Frontier Province bordering Afghanistan has proposed changing the region's name to "Afghania", a provincial minister said yesterday.

The NWFP government's request to the federal government in Islamabad is likely to rekindle an old debate over the name of the region dominated by ethnic Pashtuns, who live on both sides of the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Constitutionally there is no bar on us to rename the province on our own but we want to resolve this issue in an amicable manner," Malik Zafar Azam, NWFP's law minister said.

He said the provincial government had conducted a survey to find an alternative name for the region, designated NWFP since the days of the British Raj in pre-partition India, and most people favoured "Afghania".

"We have firmed up our proposal and plan to put it before the federal government's inter-provincial co-ordination committee in its next meeting." Central government officials were unavailable for comment.

Pashtun nationalists have long demanded the old colonial name be changed as it only indicates a geographical location rather than the ethnicity of its inhabitants, as in the other three Pakistan provinces - Punjab for Punjabis, Sindh for Sindhis and Baluchistan for Baluchis.

The nationalists had proposed "Pakhtunkhwa" as the new name for the province after its Pashtun, or Pakhtun population, but the central government is fearful it would revive old differences with Afghanistan over the Pashtun territory, known as Pashtoonistan, straddling both sides of the border.

Afghanistan has never recognised the 2,640km frontier, known as the Durand Line after the British colonialist who drew it. Afghans say the border robbed Afghanistan of land it traditionally held and it unfairly divides Pashtuns.

The Pashtoonistan issue strained relations between the two neighbours in the 1950s and 1960s, although it faded after Islamists gained influence in the border areas in the 1970s.

Observers say the new proposal by the Islamic Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal alliance, which rose to power by exploiting anti-American sentiments in the region in 2002 after US intervention in Afghanistan, could be a move to win sympathies of Pashtun tribes ahead of elections due later this year or in early 2008.

l US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama said yesterday the US must be willing to strike Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.

He warned President Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under his presidency, or Pakistan will risk a US troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in US military aid.

Pakistan: A Downward Spiral? Name Change........

Islamists want Pakistan province called Afghania
ISLAMABAD: An Islamic alliance ruling Pakistan's North West Frontier Province bordering Afghanistan has proposed changing the region's name to "Afghania", a provincial minister said yesterday.

The NWFP government's request to the federal government in Islamabad is likely to rekindle an old debate over the name of the region dominated by ethnic Pashtuns, who live on both sides of the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Constitutionally there is no bar on us to rename the province on our own but we want to resolve this issue in an amicable manner," Malik Zafar Azam, NWFP's law minister said.

He said the provincial government had conducted a survey to find an alternative name for the region, designated NWFP since the days of the British Raj in pre-partition India, and most people favoured "Afghania".

"We have firmed up our proposal and plan to put it before the federal government's inter-provincial co-ordination committee in its next meeting." Central government officials were unavailable for comment.

Pashtun nationalists have long demanded the old colonial name be changed as it only indicates a geographical location rather than the ethnicity of its inhabitants, as in the other three Pakistan provinces - Punjab for Punjabis, Sindh for Sindhis and Baluchistan for Baluchis.

The nationalists had proposed "Pakhtunkhwa" as the new name for the province after its Pashtun, or Pakhtun population, but the central government is fearful it would revive old differences with Afghanistan over the Pashtun territory, known as Pashtoonistan, straddling both sides of the border.

Afghanistan has never recognised the 2,640km frontier, known as the Durand Line after the British colonialist who drew it. Afghans say the border robbed Afghanistan of land it traditionally held and it unfairly divides Pashtuns.

The Pashtoonistan issue strained relations between the two neighbours in the 1950s and 1960s, although it faded after Islamists gained influence in the border areas in the 1970s.

Observers say the new proposal by the Islamic Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal alliance, which rose to power by exploiting anti-American sentiments in the region in 2002 after US intervention in Afghanistan, could be a move to win sympathies of Pashtun tribes ahead of elections due later this year or in early 2008.

l US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama said yesterday the US must be willing to strike Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.

He warned President Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under his presidency, or Pakistan will risk a US troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in US military aid.