Fundamentalism and Violence
Saint Augustine was a great beleiver and supporter of "Just Wars". Please read up on his work to gain inspiration on the topic.
Dr. Sohail, I know you are busy and all, but I did craft a nice suggestion for you in my first interact on this board :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Dec 11, 2007 10:18 am
dear khurram,Saint Augustine was a great beleiver and supporter of "Just Wars". Please read up on his work to gain inspiration on the topic.
Dr. Sohail, I know you are busy and all, but I did craft a nice suggestion for you in my first interact on this board :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
Fundamentalism and Violence
bus appki duaaon per hi duniya qaim hai nacheez ki :)
Dhanyavaad, shukriya, tasshakkur, danke, merci, shukran, nawazish hai aapki :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Dec 10, 2007 09:57 pm
majumdar bhai,bus appki duaaon per hi duniya qaim hai nacheez ki :)
Dhanyavaad, shukriya, tasshakkur, danke, merci, shukran, nawazish hai aapki :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
Fundamentalism and Violence
Thank you kindly.
I often feel people like us, who look out for the health of others by making them laugh, well, we just don't get the appreciation that is justly due.
A bit more of this dis-appreciation and I will wish a plaque on both houses of fair verona
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Dec 10, 2007 09:48 pm
Salim bhai,Thank you kindly.
I often feel people like us, who look out for the health of others by making them laugh, well, we just don't get the appreciation that is justly due.
A bit more of this dis-appreciation and I will wish a plaque on both houses of fair verona
with much respect,
thinking storm
Fundamentalism and Violence
fortunately, I rarely visit FP, and hence, my useless pontifications do not litter the interact boards :).
Dr. Sohail, I must say first of all, that creating is better than critiquing, so you are already better off than I, as I am about to critique ;).
Okay, so, here are my 2 shiny pennies for you:
- Grow a fire in your belly
- Let it come roaring out in your articles.
Attend some black churches, catch some evangelist shows on tv, you gotta learn to drive that message home with suspense, humor, passion and energy.
At the moment, you seem to break everything down into points...Imagine MLK doing
1. A decleration
I have a dream that one day our children will be judged by the content of thier charachter and not the color of thier skin
2. The Reason
There comes a time when people get tired of getting trampled under the iron feet of opression.
3. The ramifications
So let us join hands and walk together, and make that little change, each one of us, that change that will change the world.
you know? So try not to break it into easy 99c wafer pack plain vanilla boring snippets for us. Trust your audience. We like to act stupid , and the truth is not far from how we act ;)
[oh oh, I am being smart alecky again :( ]
with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Dec 10, 2007 08:49 pm
Dear Dr. Sohail.fortunately, I rarely visit FP, and hence, my useless pontifications do not litter the interact boards :).
Dr. Sohail, I must say first of all, that creating is better than critiquing, so you are already better off than I, as I am about to critique ;).
Okay, so, here are my 2 shiny pennies for you:
- Grow a fire in your belly
- Let it come roaring out in your articles.
Attend some black churches, catch some evangelist shows on tv, you gotta learn to drive that message home with suspense, humor, passion and energy.
At the moment, you seem to break everything down into points...Imagine MLK doing
1. A decleration
I have a dream that one day our children will be judged by the content of thier charachter and not the color of thier skin
2. The Reason
There comes a time when people get tired of getting trampled under the iron feet of opression.
3. The ramifications
So let us join hands and walk together, and make that little change, each one of us, that change that will change the world.
you know? So try not to break it into easy 99c wafer pack plain vanilla boring snippets for us. Trust your audience. We like to act stupid , and the truth is not far from how we act ;)
[oh oh, I am being smart alecky again :( ]
with much respect,
thinking storm
The Sudanese Teddy Bear Saga
Here are my 2 cents on the topic (from my iLog)
MY dear muslims, don't hate on the teacher and the teddybear
Dear Sudanese brothers and sisters,
I understand that you respect the prophet (PBUH), and don't want to offend him, but you should not take it upon yourselves to police that no-one else ridicules the prophet either.
Prophets are always ridiculed by opposing religions. In fact, if your prophet is not getting bad mouthed or ridiculed, perhaps you are not backing the right prophet. Perhaps your prophet does not have enough attention in the world.
Which brings me to naming a teddy bear Mohammad.
I know that you guys are wary of teddy bears. I also know that you are wary of missionary white teachers. Especially if they name that suspicious teddybear Mohammad.
However, please consider that the Teddy bear was made by some poor innocent Chinese in a sweat shop somewhere. The prophet always spoke for the oppressed, and would have supported these workers. Furthermore, the prophet told his people to travel to China if they have to, for education. Do you think he would be offended by China coming to the people?
Lastly, a teddy bear is no match, in offensiveness than, say Mohammad Zia-ul-haque. That is where people should have been really offended and slayed the bastard for offending the prophet. There are many others that are named Mohammad, and they are despicable people. So please, instead of fighting with the Teddy bear, fight with those people first.
Thank you
with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Dec 6, 2007 02:38 pm
Hammad,Here are my 2 cents on the topic (from my iLog)
MY dear muslims, don't hate on the teacher and the teddybear
Dear Sudanese brothers and sisters,
I understand that you respect the prophet (PBUH), and don't want to offend him, but you should not take it upon yourselves to police that no-one else ridicules the prophet either.
Prophets are always ridiculed by opposing religions. In fact, if your prophet is not getting bad mouthed or ridiculed, perhaps you are not backing the right prophet. Perhaps your prophet does not have enough attention in the world.
Which brings me to naming a teddy bear Mohammad.
I know that you guys are wary of teddy bears. I also know that you are wary of missionary white teachers. Especially if they name that suspicious teddybear Mohammad.
However, please consider that the Teddy bear was made by some poor innocent Chinese in a sweat shop somewhere. The prophet always spoke for the oppressed, and would have supported these workers. Furthermore, the prophet told his people to travel to China if they have to, for education. Do you think he would be offended by China coming to the people?
Lastly, a teddy bear is no match, in offensiveness than, say Mohammad Zia-ul-haque. That is where people should have been really offended and slayed the bastard for offending the prophet. There are many others that are named Mohammad, and they are despicable people. So please, instead of fighting with the Teddy bear, fight with those people first.
Thank you
with much respect,
thinking storm
Resist, resist, resist: ‘The gift of a crisis’
arjun mian, neembu is internet illiterate. Go easy on her :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Nov 25, 2007 09:28 pm
Re: # 73arjun mian, neembu is internet illiterate. Go easy on her :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
Resist, resist, resist: ‘The gift of a crisis’
stop your whining please.
This a free democratic forum. Arjun has every right to be here, and to express his bigoted views.
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Nov 25, 2007 05:49 pm
Neembu, stop your whining please.
This a free democratic forum. Arjun has every right to be here, and to express his bigoted views.
with much respect,
thinking storm
The Battle for Pakistan
sub chutiyapa band karo ji.
kya bandar tamasha laga rakha hai.
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Nov 15, 2007 03:30 pm
khan sahib,sub chutiyapa band karo ji.
kya bandar tamasha laga rakha hai.
with much respect,
thinking storm
Political Quandary in Pakistan
Well written article.
Sham democracy may be more harmful as it creates a disillusionment in the democratic process.
an unbiased and strong judiciary, land reforms, and new regulation for checks and balances for government administrations are essential for a real democracy. For a government by the people, for the people.
Everything else is just hair phair :D
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Nov 9, 2007 01:24 pm
Gill saab,Well written article.
Sham democracy may be more harmful as it creates a disillusionment in the democratic process.
an unbiased and strong judiciary, land reforms, and new regulation for checks and balances for government administrations are essential for a real democracy. For a government by the people, for the people.
Everything else is just hair phair :D
with much respect,
thinking storm
Cholesterol Say Paak
Being the moorakh that I am, I look at everything thru rose colored glasses.
But since you are a skeptic, allow me to play one for a few minutes.
"..let me assure you a part of me perhaps admires him a lot and admires him much more than any one and certainly more than you……"
Wha? How would you know that? Maybe you are right and I don't know NFP from a hole in the ground, maybe you are wrong and I am NFP himself, and extremely narcissistic! [no, I am not NFP, but you knew that]
"You take his opinion to be an endorsement of your pro Musharraf stance or your anti Imran stance."
I cannot take any an article by NFP to be an endorsement of my views because: 1) He prolly does not know of me or my views and 2) He has not addressed my opinions, just his own. So no, I don't take it as an endorsement :)
"You are narrowing your opinion to character assassination of anti Musharraf element…"
Nope. No character assassination going on. I am merely calling a spade a spade. You can browse my iLogs at your leisure.
"I would like to offer my humble opinion that at times interests of self righteous anal bastard middle class and down trodden, though not explicitly realized, can actually converge…."
I agree. Sometimes they can. At this moment, democracy and the stability of the country are at odds.
"So while you praise and “respect” him for writing this wonderful piece (mainly because apparently he is pro Mushi and anti democracy or anti “sham democracy” or he endorses your view, his take is actually different ……"
wait wait. I praise his piece for its anti-sham democracy point of view. I don't think he is endorsing my pov, how could he? I am not anti-democracy. I just think the a-holes that are our candidates do not cut it. I am anti-BB, he is pro BB :) see...there are other differences.
This was a fun exercise!
with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Nov 8, 2007 06:06 pm
Skeptical,Being the moorakh that I am, I look at everything thru rose colored glasses.
But since you are a skeptic, allow me to play one for a few minutes.
"..let me assure you a part of me perhaps admires him a lot and admires him much more than any one and certainly more than you……"
Wha? How would you know that? Maybe you are right and I don't know NFP from a hole in the ground, maybe you are wrong and I am NFP himself, and extremely narcissistic! [no, I am not NFP, but you knew that]
"You take his opinion to be an endorsement of your pro Musharraf stance or your anti Imran stance."
I cannot take any an article by NFP to be an endorsement of my views because: 1) He prolly does not know of me or my views and 2) He has not addressed my opinions, just his own. So no, I don't take it as an endorsement :)
"You are narrowing your opinion to character assassination of anti Musharraf element…"
Nope. No character assassination going on. I am merely calling a spade a spade. You can browse my iLogs at your leisure.
"I would like to offer my humble opinion that at times interests of self righteous anal bastard middle class and down trodden, though not explicitly realized, can actually converge…."
I agree. Sometimes they can. At this moment, democracy and the stability of the country are at odds.
"So while you praise and “respect” him for writing this wonderful piece (mainly because apparently he is pro Mushi and anti democracy or anti “sham democracy” or he endorses your view, his take is actually different ……"
wait wait. I praise his piece for its anti-sham democracy point of view. I don't think he is endorsing my pov, how could he? I am not anti-democracy. I just think the a-holes that are our candidates do not cut it. I am anti-BB, he is pro BB :) see...there are other differences.
This was a fun exercise!
with much respect,
thinking storm
Cholesterol Say Paak
Hamidm,
this has to be one of the funniest things I have read today !
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Nov 8, 2007 05:55 pm
"he SHO and constables laughed at him and refused to comply with his request. He was offered a cup of tea and some biscuits, but he refused and tried to lock himself up in an empty cell. The police staff on duty resumed their card game and the SHO tried to persuade Imran Khan to come out of the cell by offering him chapli kabab from Peshawar More. It is a tense stand-off."Hamidm,
this has to be one of the funniest things I have read today !
with much respect,
thinking storm
Cholesterol Say Paak
thanks for your response.
I understand that Nadeem has a different view of Musharraf than I do. What he and I appear to share is the healthy dose of skepticism we have of the so called lovers of "democracy".
IF your ideas are half baked, mine haven't even been kneaded yet, so do excuse me for my simplistic views :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Nov 8, 2007 05:53 pm
skeptical,thanks for your response.
I understand that Nadeem has a different view of Musharraf than I do. What he and I appear to share is the healthy dose of skepticism we have of the so called lovers of "democracy".
IF your ideas are half baked, mine haven't even been kneaded yet, so do excuse me for my simplistic views :)
with much respect,
thinking storm
Cholesterol Say Paak
You have eloquently described all that I have been incoherently rambling about on unplugged.
At first, I was shocked at myself as well. Why o why would I have protested against the Zia monster, and then turned around and not gone apeshit at Musharraf?
Perhaps it has to do with the hypocrisy of the "supporters" of "democracy". These very people are encouraging the completely arrogant and ignorant reactionary forces to spread and grow stronger using the gun as a weapon in nwfp, and TV in the cities.
Bravo for writing this wonderful piece!
with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Nov 8, 2007 04:37 pm
Nadeem,You have eloquently described all that I have been incoherently rambling about on unplugged.
At first, I was shocked at myself as well. Why o why would I have protested against the Zia monster, and then turned around and not gone apeshit at Musharraf?
Perhaps it has to do with the hypocrisy of the "supporters" of "democracy". These very people are encouraging the completely arrogant and ignorant reactionary forces to spread and grow stronger using the gun as a weapon in nwfp, and TV in the cities.
Bravo for writing this wonderful piece!
with much respect,
thinking storm
Cholesterol Say Paak
I could be misreading you, but do I detect anger?
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with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Nov 8, 2007 04:19 pm
Skeptical,I could be misreading you, but do I detect anger?
with much respect,
thinking storm
Cholesterol Say Paak
Thank you, thank you.
While the bandar tamasha of the opportunists continues, it is refreshing to hear some reason!
You are the second sane voice in this bazaar (the other sane voice being mine, of course).
with much respect,
thinking storm
Posted by
thinkingstorm
Nov 8, 2007 02:34 pm
Nadeem,Thank you, thank you.
While the bandar tamasha of the opportunists continues, it is refreshing to hear some reason!
You are the second sane voice in this bazaar (the other sane voice being mine, of course).
with much respect,
thinking storm
Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?
Jeeyo masadi jeeyo ...
with much respect,
thinking storm
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thinkingstorm
Oct 15, 2007 04:01 pm
Also, I want it to be noted that I agree with most of what masadi the fasadi writes. Other than his anger directed at gentle souls like Gill sahib and Dr. Sohail. I also support his fury at Manto, for I think that cretin truly deserves it.Jeeyo masadi jeeyo ...
with much respect,
thinking storm
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