Sex Education For the Next Generation scout,

more likely you are distracting the man when you pull on his toe, and he will kick you to make you stop...and then have his orgasm.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation tahmed-

I am personally drawn to sufism. Not the naqsh brand though. But I cannot stand the saint worshipping thing.

Other than that, the message of love, of oneness of everything, of all paths leading to the same truth...I am all for that.

And for me, the lure of the sufi thought is that you SHOULD use your brain and not just follow things blindly. But I may have been following these notions blindly as naqsh pointed out ;)
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation tahmed-
infact sufism is not merely a middle eastern thing. They are persecuted in (most of) the arab lands (and later in the turk land).

Sufis flourished in Iran (oh no, those shias) and turkey and baghdad. Turkey and Iran, go figure.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation tahmed-

you forgot to ask about the shooting stars business ;)

Are shooting stars really Jinns that got too close to the heaven in thier eavesdropping effort and are being flung down from the skies?
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation naqsh-

Granted, you probably know a lot more than me on sufism. Mine has been a fleeting interest, and I have read a smattering of books not isolated to a particular order. However, others that know more than me, do not hold the same view as you. In particular about the shia thing.

Sorry for the cut and paste...but I am merely a researcher at this point :)

Please read the following excerpt closely

The Naqshbandi Order


"The Naqshbandi Order takes its name from Shaykh Baha ud-Din Naqshband of Bukhara (d. 1390). It is widely spread in central Asia, the Volga, the Caucasus, the north-west and south-west of China, Indonesia, the Indian sub-Continent, Turkey, Europe and North America. This is the only known Sufi Order which traces the genealogy of its lineage of transmission of knowledge back through the first Muslim ruler, Abu Bakr, unlike the rest of the known Sufi Orders which trace their origins back to one of the Shi'ite spiritual leaders, and therefore through Imam Ali, and so to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). "

So it seems that the other orders have very much to do with shias. Furthermore:
"

The Bektashi Order


The Bektashi Order was founded by Hajji Bektash of Khurasan (d. 1338). Shi'ite ideas strongly permeate this Sufi Order. It is limited to Anatolia in Turkey and was most powerful up until the early 20th century. The order is regarded as a follower of Shi'a Islamic Law.


The Ni'amatullah Order


The Ni'amatullah Order was founded by Shaykh Nur ud-Din Muhammad Ni'amatullah (d. 1431) in Mahan near Kirman in South-west Iran. Its followers are found mostly in Iran and India."

these orders originate are predominant in Iran. Shia Iran I venture.

"The propagation of Sufism started in Baghdad in Shiah majority areas, such as Iraq and Khorasan, and spread to Persia, the Indian subcontinent, North Africa, and Muslim Spain. There were tests of conciliation between Sufism and the other Islamic sciences (sharia, fiqh, etc.), as well as the beginning of the Sufi brotherhoods (turuq)." (yes, this is wikipedia but I am sharing for discussion, not as authoratative sources)


Anyhow, so it seems that Shia do not have something similar to sufism is not an accurate claim.

I will contest your other claims when I have read some more on your assertion that all sufi orders are orthodox. I do not believe that to be the case.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation Naqsh-

you mean well. However, you are confused.

For one, you keep saying sunni muslim as if shia are not muslim or you are happy to be in a sect. As a sufi, you should have practiced oneness of all and should NEVER go sunni this and shia that. Really.

Secondly, there are only 2 or 3 branches of sufism that are orthodox, naqshbandi's being one of them. I personally think it is sad, cause there is no difference between the naqshi's and the mullahs, but to each thier own.

You should crack open some literature and see what else is out there. Especially in sufism. Including the universalists.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation but no more heated argument with you naqsh.

Today is manto appreciation day. If you are interested in appreciating manto, please look up my special thread for him in UP. Thanks.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation and God sits on a throne on the seventh heaven? and the falling stars are really Jinns being chased away from heavens cause they were evesdropping?

Naqsh?

Why do you bother calling yourself a sufi? You are a literalist. admit it.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation well that's just bullshit then ain't it naqsh?

sorry...you fell for the mullah trap....

next you will be telling us about hoors
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation concubines are halaal huh?
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation naqsh-

but us muslims should have just referenced the kama sutra....why reinvent the wheel?
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation dr. sohail, thank you for putting a nice label on what I explained :).

Now I shall indeed grow my hair long, and start a tour around US as a tantrik sex expert.

with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation dr. sohail,

thank you for a response to my question on the craft of love making.

Missionary position is indeed sometimes quite affectionate...but the sitting position that the good kama sutra teaches us also brings the lovers face to face and increases thier intimacy.

However, sex should also include pure all out banging, where both parties get thier animal urges out. So the doggy style, and wheelbarrow (kulharee, you are in luck), the lotus position, they should all be considered.

I feel that I am developing a stronger position on positions.
1. Ensure that the reportoire flows (consider energy demands as well)
2. Start with more intimate postures to more randy, animalistic postures so that both the animals and the spiritual sides are satisfied.

Kulharee, hope this helps?
with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation dr. sohail,

any comments on the advice I shared about sexual positions, and the need to carefully select the reportoire and focus on the ease of switching from one position to the next rather than throwing in a whole bunch of ill-fitting positions?


with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation kulhaari saab,

I think a person should develop a good repertoire of positions, at least 4-5 and choreograph them so that it is not awkward to jump from one to the other. Start with a couple of positions, and then every session, think of what else can be included :).

It is important to not go above 5 positions, and one should also consider the physical stress of a position, soon turns the pleasure into pain. And therefore shorter time periods should be allocated to these.

I cannot overemphasize the importance of agility, nimbleness and fluidity. One should not get distracted from the task at hand by the mechanics of position switching...and so choose the positions wisely.

I hope I have been at least as informative as Dr. Sohail.

with much respect,
thinking storm

Sex Education For the Next Generation tahmed32 sahib-

Kulharee was sharing a *sexual* position with you....not a kindergarden play with your little buddies position :)
with much respect,
thinking storm