Imran Khan\'s Politics
your Imran Khan supported this practice--and now he is the one being shamed. So I suggest you should not mouth off about things you have little knowledge about.
Posted by
comet
Jun 22, 2007 05:09 pm
zeemax--no I wasn`t listening b/c I had logged off--but you are deluded. I work as a lawyer in pakistan and deal with this all the time. Any nikah and/or divorce can be contested in a court of law if it is not appropriately registered. That is the law--whether you like it or not. And, the fact that in rural areas divorces were often not registered, when women re-married without the divorce being registered, their ex-husbands were unfortunately successfully able to contest the new nikah and have them persecuted for hudoodyour Imran Khan supported this practice--and now he is the one being shamed. So I suggest you should not mouth off about things you have little knowledge about.
Imran Khan\'s Politics
And by the way, what exactly has he shunned? It`s more like he`s been shunned by Jemima--not the other way round.
Posted by
comet
Jun 22, 2007 01:44 pm
zeemax--read the law--no nikah is valid now without registration--in any country--neither is any divorce valid without registration--which is why so many poor women had to serve sentences for hudood, which IK supported.And by the way, what exactly has he shunned? It`s more like he`s been shunned by Jemima--not the other way round.
Imran Khan\'s Politics
I agree with Salim Chauhan on this one.
Mirza_ruswa--once again, you make a lot of sense.
Posted by
comet
Jun 22, 2007 01:36 pm
zeemax--I think you are talking out of your ass--to what length you would go to come up with alternatives for IK is simply amusing--as if it`s that easy to fabricate a nikah! You still need a document and given that she never visited Pakistan--it would have had to be attested in the US or UK and been quite impossible to fabricate. But it`s amazing that you are even advocating presenting a false document like that, and then you talk about honesty and honour.I agree with Salim Chauhan on this one.
Mirza_ruswa--once again, you make a lot of sense.
Imran Khan\'s Politics
The girl never ever came to stay with him until Sita died--that`s the first time she came, that too on Jemima`s insistence, and then, IK posed with her and Jemima and the two boys for Hello magazine--which incidentally is only a magazine that discussed personal lives and IK loves to interview with them--spoke to them about his marriage, about the divorce, about Tyrian--it`s only in Pakistan that he says ``I don`t want to talk about it.``
Contrast that with an honourable man like Hasnat Khan--never agreed to interview with Hello inspite of them following him around on the Diana issue--not that`s a man with class--if you don`t want to publicize your personal life, that`s the way to do it--not two-faced, like IK.
Posted by
comet
Jun 22, 2007 01:05 pm
zeemax--You`re simply wrong--he denied it in LA; denied it in Pakistan also prior to 1997. When Sita went ahead with the law suit--incidentally, the whole reason she went ahead with it was because he was denying it--he refused to appear for the DNA test--and therefore a default judgment was entered against him. If he had nothing to hide, he would have volunteered for the dna test--it`s a foolproof test. The girl looks ditto IK--so I think to say ``who knows who the father is`` is like being blinded in your worship of a fallen hero.The girl never ever came to stay with him until Sita died--that`s the first time she came, that too on Jemima`s insistence, and then, IK posed with her and Jemima and the two boys for Hello magazine--which incidentally is only a magazine that discussed personal lives and IK loves to interview with them--spoke to them about his marriage, about the divorce, about Tyrian--it`s only in Pakistan that he says ``I don`t want to talk about it.``
Contrast that with an honourable man like Hasnat Khan--never agreed to interview with Hello inspite of them following him around on the Diana issue--not that`s a man with class--if you don`t want to publicize your personal life, that`s the way to do it--not two-faced, like IK.
Imran Khan\'s Politics
Posted by
comet
Jun 22, 2007 12:40 pm
#100 by zeemax--I happened to be in LA when the paternity case was being considered in LA and he denied plenty--the local newspapers were full of it--check your facts. And I`m afraid he can`t just say he doesn`t want to talk about it--eventually, he either has to admit or deny it.
Imran Khan\'s Politics
But please let`s not pretend that Imran is a saint--you need some objectivity there. He is extremely close to the mullahs and maybe that`s ok with you sitting in America but it`s not ok with us in Pakistan--we don`t want all these restrictions, esp. when it comes to women.
Imran Khan`s closeness to them has absolutely nothing to do with diplomacy. In fact, I think he tries to rub shoulders with them to make up for the baggage in his past, but it consistently backfires and he just isn`t bright enough to get it.
He has done good things for Pakistan but he has two major shortcomings: 1--he has no team; and 2--the Sita affair is going to haunt him for life--if he had repented, then the honourable thing to do would have been to marry her and give the child a proper home when he found out she was pregnant instead of denying it for years until a default judgment was passed against him. And your theory about him marrying ``a top-notch goree`` would have perhaps had merit had the goree not left him and started canoodling with Hugh before the ink on the divorce papers even dried out. I`m sorry but nobody would get personal about Imran if he didn`t act all right-wing--and his supporters didn`t pretend that he was some messiah--he`s just a normal person with strengths and weaknesses and maybe good in some ministerial position but certainly not appropriate for the top job in the country.
Posted by
comet
Jun 22, 2007 12:09 pm
Important point mirza_ruswa. Zeena, I`m sorry, but I have to ask, what planet are you living on? MQM and Altaf Hussain have few supporters in Pakistan and most people are on board in having them exposed.But please let`s not pretend that Imran is a saint--you need some objectivity there. He is extremely close to the mullahs and maybe that`s ok with you sitting in America but it`s not ok with us in Pakistan--we don`t want all these restrictions, esp. when it comes to women.
Imran Khan`s closeness to them has absolutely nothing to do with diplomacy. In fact, I think he tries to rub shoulders with them to make up for the baggage in his past, but it consistently backfires and he just isn`t bright enough to get it.
He has done good things for Pakistan but he has two major shortcomings: 1--he has no team; and 2--the Sita affair is going to haunt him for life--if he had repented, then the honourable thing to do would have been to marry her and give the child a proper home when he found out she was pregnant instead of denying it for years until a default judgment was passed against him. And your theory about him marrying ``a top-notch goree`` would have perhaps had merit had the goree not left him and started canoodling with Hugh before the ink on the divorce papers even dried out. I`m sorry but nobody would get personal about Imran if he didn`t act all right-wing--and his supporters didn`t pretend that he was some messiah--he`s just a normal person with strengths and weaknesses and maybe good in some ministerial position but certainly not appropriate for the top job in the country.
Imran Khan\'s Politics
Moreover, I think one can fault Imran for not developing the party at all--it`s a one-man show and although in 1997 that was to be expected--it is now 2007 and that`s still the case--so it makes one really wonder
I think his role will remain that of a pressure group, which is fine, but I don`t think it is realistic to expect him to lead.
Finally, there are many others out there with one seat to their credit who could make good leaders as well. And I for one don`t really buy this whole thing about him being offered the PM slot by Musharraf--what proof is there for that? People say the same thing about amin fahim, etc--where is the proof? Why would Mush offer it to Imran--he doesn`t have a large vote bank that would be appeased, he`s a loose cannon (would not be controllable), etc. It does not make any sense and I`m really surprised that people fall for that nonsense.
By the way, I was also at the LSE address and came out quite disappointed--his whole speech was way too simplistic. I wanted to hear more about his party`s current political strategy and the case against Altaf. Instead, he hardly touched on that and went on about the english medium-urdu medium divide (as if he or anyone can fix that problem), etc. and the only thing he said about the case was that it was being handled pro bono. Now as a lawyer I can say that pro bono cases are generally neglected--so that was another disappointing bit.
Posted by
comet
Jun 19, 2007 02:23 pm
I think you may be placing too much emphasis on the possibility of Imran as PM (I am assuming this because you keep calling him a ``potential leader``)--how exactly do you expect that to happen in a parliamentary system like Pakistan`s when one seat is all he gets--even if he does better this time, which I would not be surprised if he did, he would get ten seats max--if that?? That would put him in the same league as say Farooq Leghari or Tahir ul Qadri or that sort of level--not Benazir or Nawaz level.Moreover, I think one can fault Imran for not developing the party at all--it`s a one-man show and although in 1997 that was to be expected--it is now 2007 and that`s still the case--so it makes one really wonder
I think his role will remain that of a pressure group, which is fine, but I don`t think it is realistic to expect him to lead.
Finally, there are many others out there with one seat to their credit who could make good leaders as well. And I for one don`t really buy this whole thing about him being offered the PM slot by Musharraf--what proof is there for that? People say the same thing about amin fahim, etc--where is the proof? Why would Mush offer it to Imran--he doesn`t have a large vote bank that would be appeased, he`s a loose cannon (would not be controllable), etc. It does not make any sense and I`m really surprised that people fall for that nonsense.
By the way, I was also at the LSE address and came out quite disappointed--his whole speech was way too simplistic. I wanted to hear more about his party`s current political strategy and the case against Altaf. Instead, he hardly touched on that and went on about the english medium-urdu medium divide (as if he or anyone can fix that problem), etc. and the only thing he said about the case was that it was being handled pro bono. Now as a lawyer I can say that pro bono cases are generally neglected--so that was another disappointing bit.
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By the way muhd15, I don`t think you understood the article--the writer never said that Imran Khan would disappear or that the hospital would disappear so why should she feel stupid about that?? She never even said that he married Jem for the money--all she said is that when she has all that money, why is he asking others to financially support him politically--one may or may not agree with her, but it`s certainly open to question. And by the way, if Imran is divorced and Jem is frolicking with Hugh, then is he the one who should feel stupid or the others?
I also read Ayesha`s article on Counter Punch and thought it was pretty good and did buy her book, which is also pretty good (if it`s any consolation to you--it does not mention IK!). I doubt she would care if you bought it or not--it`s got good reviews in plenty of place already, including chowk!
Posted by
comet
Jun 14, 2007 06:55 pm
Why is it that you Imran Khan-lovers are so averse to hearing the slightest criticism of the guy? Sure he`s done a couple of really great things but he`s also done some pretty stupid things! BTW, sorry to burst your bubble, but all public figures are open to critcism. And honestly, comparing him to Jinnah is absurd!By the way muhd15, I don`t think you understood the article--the writer never said that Imran Khan would disappear or that the hospital would disappear so why should she feel stupid about that?? She never even said that he married Jem for the money--all she said is that when she has all that money, why is he asking others to financially support him politically--one may or may not agree with her, but it`s certainly open to question. And by the way, if Imran is divorced and Jem is frolicking with Hugh, then is he the one who should feel stupid or the others?
I also read Ayesha`s article on Counter Punch and thought it was pretty good and did buy her book, which is also pretty good (if it`s any consolation to you--it does not mention IK!). I doubt she would care if you bought it or not--it`s got good reviews in plenty of place already, including chowk!
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