Talking to Jamil Dehlavi about Infinite Justice and More Re: Khurram: No, an Indian passport does not mention ones religion.

Talking to Jamil Dehlavi about Infinite Justice and More Can an Ahmedi in Pakistan recite the Kalima..If he does, he risks blasphemy and the consequences for that is death..

This Pyre Will Burn…! Dear Brothers & Sisters.

Let us not debate on worthless topics like Urdu vs Sindhi etc..

Pakistanis and Indians share the same genes but only Pakistan is a Muslim-majority nation. Insha Allah, this has helped us become economically backward ,quite illiterate and retarded very rapidly.
Let us hope that our Muslim brothers in India reproduce fast enough to turn India into a Muslim-majority nation. When it happens, India too will become economically backward and illiterate and we will then all be the same.

Mashallah, until then,
Please go back to praying 5 times a day.

Preview of Looming Democracy - Two Months of PPP in the Limelight Salim, most of the people killed, maimed and burnt were Mohajirs..400 vehicles of Mohajirs were burnt.
And holding free & fair elections is a pipe dream..the only time it happened was in 1971 when Mujib won....and Bangladesh happened.

So forget about democracy in Pakistan..It will never happen,period.

What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades ``(his brother, Maulana Abdul Aziz, the Head of Jamia Fareedia and the Lal Masjid, apparently never gives interviews to women)``

But has a fetish for dressing in a women clothes, carrying a womens hand bag including lip-stick.

What a clown.

India’s First Woman President? Qasmi Saab, Excellent article.

Yes, we can rightly be proud of a strong, secular & democratic India. However for this election, the overwhelming majority of Indians want Dr Abdul Kalam back as President, notwithstanding the fact that the people cannot vote in a Presidential election. Ironic really.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) South Asia
Jul 3, 2007

US to hunt the Taliban inside Pakistan
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Since last September, North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces in Afghanistan have been pressing Islamabad for the right to conduct extensive hot-pursuit operations into Pakistan to target Taliban and al-Qaeda bases.

According to Asia Times Online contacts, NATO and its US backers have gotten their wish: coalition forces will start hitting targets wherever they might be.

Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf is expected to make an important announcement on extremism during an address to the nation in the next day or two.

The ATol contacts in Islamabad say that coalition intelligence has pinpointed at least four centers in the tribal areas of North Waziristan and South Waziristan on the border with Afghanistan from which Taliban operations inside Afghanistan are run. These bases include arms caches and the transfer and raising of money and manpower, the latter in the form of foot-soldiers to fight with the Taliban-led insurgency.

Operations inside Pakistan might be carried out independently by the United States, probably with air power, by Pakistani forces acting alone or as joint offensives. In all cases, though, the US will pull the strings, for instance by providing the Pakistanis with information on targets to hit.

Musharraf has apparently already told his military commanders, the National Security Council and decision-makers in government of the development.

Officially, both NATO and Pakistan deny any agreement on hot-pursuit activities. Major John Thomas, spokesman for NATO`s International Security Assistance Force, told Asia Times Online, ``The ISAF would not strike any targets across the border. That is not part of our mission. We work with the Pakistani government closely on cross-border issues. The ISAF does not have a counter-terrorism mission that I know of.``

Similarly, the director general of the Inter-Services Public Relations of the Pakistani Armed Forces, Major-General Waheed Arshad, said NATO forces would not be allowed to intervene in Pakistani areas. He conceded that Pakistan is wary of growing extremism in the country, but said there is no threat of Talibanization.

``The Taliban are a problem for Afghanistan, not Pakistan. There are a few extremist groups operating in Pakistan and we have our own indigenous mechanism to counter them through law-enforcement agencies, and through paramilitary and military deployment,`` Waheed said.

Nevertheless, the ATol contacts are adamant that an agreement is in place for increased operations on Pakistani soil, given the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan and US fears of al-Qaeda using Pakistan as a base for planning operations in the West. There are precedents.

Last month, US Central Intelligence Agency drones targeted a madrassa in North Waziristan, and 20 people were killed. CIA drones tried to take out al-Qaeda No 2 Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri in January 2006 in Bajur Agency. Zawahiri survived, but 18 people died. In December 2005, al-Qaeda leader Hamza Rabia was killed by a CIA predator aircraft in the town of Mir Ali, North Waziristan.

However, new operations, which could begin within weeks, if not days, are expected to be much larger in scale.

A border in name only
In recent meetings at both the policy and operational levels between Washington and Islamabad, it was acknowledged that Pakistan simply cannot control its border with Afghanistan. Pakistan has established numerous military posts in the tribal areas, but with distances of as much as 20 kilometers between them they can`t stop the cross-border flow, especially given the rugged nature of the terrain.

On the Afghan side of the border, NATO and the Afghan National Army have also established posts, but they are even less numerous than on the Pakistani side and, given their isolation, are open to enemy fire.

While most of the Taliban`s cross-border activity takes place from the Waziristans, it extends to Chaman, Zhob and Noshki in the southwest and Bajaur and Mohmand in the northwest.

In North West Frontier Province, the settled towns of Tank, Laki Marwat, Bannu and Dera Ismail Khan have all but been taken over by the Pakistani Taliban and they recruit from these areas. The circle is expanding up to the Valley of Peshawar, which includes Peshawar city and Mardan. However, the Taliban`s influence in the Valley of Peshawar is still basic.

On the other hand, a pro-Taliban force named Tehrik-i-Nifaz-i-Shariat-i-Mohammadi (TNSM) has spread rapidly, and its influence ranges from Bajaur, Malakand, Swat Valley and Mingora. The TNSM sent 10,000 men to Afghanistan in 2001 to fight against the US-led invasion. The organization is dedicated to the enforcement of Islamic laws. Like the Pakistan Taliban, the TNSM uses scores of illegal FM radio stations as a propaganda tool, and its popularity increases with every passing day.

All roads lead to the mosque
All these pro-Taliban/al-Qaeda zones on the Afghan border have connections with the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad, run by outspoken brothers Maulana Abdul Aziz and Ghazi Abdul Rasheed. The brothers are openly pro-Taliban and also run large Islamic seminaries for boys and girls.

The Pakistani establishment believes Aziz is in fact the new leader of all the Taliban and al-Qaeda assets spreading through northwestern Pakistan, especially the zone commanded by the TNSM. Aziz delivers lectures by telephone every evening to TNSM members.

Lal Masjid has had numerous high-profile run-ins and standoffs with the government, but Islamabad has never risked an outright confrontation, given the power and influence of the brothers and their standing in the jihadist world.

They can be expected to organize sustained resistance should NATO/US forces launch attacks into Pakistan. Some reports claim that about 70 suicide bombers are waiting to be unleashed from the mosque. But any attack on the mosque could set off a chain reaction all the way from Islamabad to the Afghan border and beyond, in the process throwing Pakistan further into turmoil.

At this point in the ``war on terror``, this is something the US does not want, at least not until it has had one more crack at rooting out the Taliban and al-Qaeda from Pakistan. Washington has paid Pakistan about $1 billion a year for the past five years for its efforts in tackling terrorism. Now the US administration wants more return on that money.

Musharraf already faces intense opposition over his suspension of his chief justice on charges of malfeasance. Both political and religious opponents are riding the bandwagon with a vengeance, especially as the country faces presidential elections this year.

Senior US officials, including John Negroponte, the deputy secretary of state, and Richard Boucher, the assistant secretary of state, recently visited Pakistan to spell out to opposition leaders that the US is still behind Musharraf, although it will support the participation of secular, democratic political parties in government.

This development occurred even as Washington voiced its dissatisfaction over Musharraf`s performance with regard to the Taliban: it pointed to Pakistan`s clear involvement in supporting the insurgency in Helmand province since last year.

Indeed, the US was even prepared to withdraw its support of Musharraf, who seized power in 1999, but after a visit by Vice President Dick Cheney to Pakistan, the general remains in favor. Cheney`s office is believed to run the United States` Pakistan policy.

The reasons are probably twofold: the US needs Pakistan`s support should it attack Iran (covert operations into Iran are reportedly already taking place from Pakistan), and the US is concerned over the revival of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Pakistan.

With regard to the latter, the head of the US Central Command, Admiral William Fallon, followed up Cheney`s visit, warning Islamabad that the US needs Pakistan`s assistance and approval to confront the bases. He also made it clear that any delay on the part of Pakistan to allow NATO operations could result in another major terror operation in the West. And if that happens, Pakistan will face the music.

Musharraf has already agreed to take some prisoners from the US detention facility at Guantanamo Bay (see Pakistan to help as the US`s jailer, Asia Times Online, June 29). Now he`s opening his doors to the United States` soldiers. It`s a move fraught with danger for Musharraf and Pakistan, and one that could influence the direction of both the war in Afghanistan and the ``war on terror``.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) Re: # 789

Chennai Bhai,

In Pakistan yes, not in India:)

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) ``The point Manto was that making was that it was, essentially, started by Gandhi and his politics of religion.``

You gotta prove that. The Moplah rebellion had little to do with Gandhi as an independent person, Annie Besant reported. See interact 741.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) Dr. Annie Beasant records the following in her report titled Malabar`s agony in New India dated 29 Nov 1921:

From that date [August 1] onwards thousands of the forbidden war-knives were secretly made and hidden away, and on August 20, the rebellion broke out; Khilafat flags were hoisted on police stations and Government offices.

...The misery is beyond description. Girl wives, pretty and sweet, with eyes half blind with weeping, distraught with terror; women who have seen their husbands hacked to pieces before their eye, in the way ``Moplas consider religious``, old women tottering, whose faces become written with anguish and who cry at a gentle touch and a kind look, waking out of a stupor of misery only to weep, men who have lost all, hopeless, crushed, desperate.

... I have walked among thousands of them in refugee camps, and sometimes heavy eyes would lift as a cloth was laid gently on the bare shoulder, and a faint watery smile of surprise would make the face even more piteous than the stupor. Eyes full of appeal, of agonized despair, of hopeless entreaty of helpless anguish, thousands of them camp after camp. ...

Two Pulayas, lowest of the submerged classes were captured with others and were given the choice between Islam and Death. These, the outcaste of Hinduism, the untouchables, so loved the Hinduism which had been so unkind a step-mother to them, that they chose to die Hindus rather than to live Muslim. May the God of both, Muslim and Hindus send His messengers to these heroic souls, and give them rebirth into the Faith for which they died.


Madhavan Nair, Secretary, Calicut District Congress Committee
had recorded the following in his report:
Can you conceive of a more ghastly and inhuman crime than the murder of babies and pregnant women? ... A pregnant woman carrying 7 months was cut through the abdomen by a rebel and she was seen lying dead with on the way with the dead child projecting out ... Another baby of six months was snatched away from the breast of the mother and cut into two pieces. ... Are these rebels human beings or monsters?

Maulana Modini called the looting and killing of HIndus `military necessity` while the high priest of Khilafat movement itself the then Congress High Command applauded Moplas for fighting devotedly for their religious cause in a way `they consider religious`. This inhuman defending of the barbaric Mopla atrocities prompted Annie Beasent to comment bitterly:

Men who consider it ``religious`` to murder, rape, loot, to kill women and little children, cutting down whole families, have to be put under restraint in any civilized society.
One of the favourite myths of the pseudo-secularist is that Moplah atrocity was actually a rebellion against land-owners who `happened to be ` Hindus. As demonstrated by the large number of swords and knives ornamentally decorated in their handles

A typical Mopla sword-knife used to slaughter Hindus. These weapons were mass produced and distributed just before the massacre show, it was not a peasent uprising but a well-financed and well planned attempt that almost succeded in the elimination of Kaffir Hindus


show how much money and careful planning had gone into these atrocities against Hindus. Annie Beasant`s report also shatters the myth that Moplah massacre in which by all moderate counts more than 5000 Hindus perished and many families dishonored and converted through sword and rapine, was not against just the `high-caste Hindus` all Hindus -just because they were Hindus , were killed; infants were slaughtered before their mothers because they were born of Hindu parents.

Dr.Ambekar was not a leader who had any love for the so-called high castes. But he correctly called Mopla events as barbaric. In fact, at that time apart from Dr.Annie Beasent he was the only leader to condemn these barbarisms. Dr. Ambedkar found that all efforts made to make Islam and Indian nationalism harmonise had failed. He found Islam as `hostile and alien` to Indian cultural life.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) Re: # 732

He has hands on experience on what it has done for his people.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) TWO NATION THEORY DIVIDED THE MUSLIMS OF SUBCONTINENT INTO THREE PARTS – ALTAF HUSSAIN



IT WAS BURIED IN 1951 WITH CLOSURE OF BORDERS FOR MUSLIMS OF INDIA



London - 25 April 2000



Mr Altaf Hussain, MQM Founder and Leader, has said that the Two Nation Theory was buried in 1951, when the Pakistani borders were sealed for the Muslims of India. It is a historical fact that instead of uniting the Muslims of India, the Two Nation Theory has divided the Muslims of Subcontinent into three parts. Therefore, this theory has failed in the light of the experiences of the 52 years history. Mr Altaf Hussain was addressing a huge gathering of MQM Elders Wing over the phone from London at Nine Zero, the MQM Head Office in Karachi.





Mr Hussain said that according to the Two Nation Theory presented before the partition, two nations existed in the undivided India – the Muslims and the Hindus. Since Hindus were in majority, therefore, at the time of independence of India, it was felt prudent for the Muslims to have their own separate homeland where they could live freely, happily and peacefully according to their faith and belief. However, today when this theory is viewed in the historical perspective then we come to the conclusion that the Muslims of the Subcontinent have been divided into three parts, i.e. the Muslims of Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. In this way, the Two Nation Theory resulted in the division and then the subdivision of the Muslims of India instead of uniting them. As a result, not only the Subcontinent was divided but also the Muslims of the Subcontinent continued to divide. Mr Hussain said that at the time of the presentation of the Two Nation Theory it was declared that Pakistan will be for all the Muslims of India but in 1951, the Pakistani borders were shut down for the Muslims of India, thus burying the very concept of the Two Nation Theory. Later in 1971, the Two Nation Theory again proved wrong when Muslim majority of Pakistan, i.e. Bengali Muslims, were forced to separate themselves from Pakistan when instead of providing them their rights, an army operation was launched against them. They were oppressed and their genocide was committed. It is important to note that when the majority of the country decided to separate itself from the country then the Two Nation Theory ceased to exist and there remained no justification for the existence of Pakistan. Thereafter, on the basis of the 1940 Resolution, the four provinces of the country should have transformed into autonomous states. However, on the basis of being in majority in the remainder of Pakistan, the Punjabi Establishment forcefully took control of the country. The same Punjabi Establishment then termed the Sindhis, Pakhtoons and Mohajirs as ‘traitors’. They became the self-proclaimed controllers of Pakistan and issued certificate of treachery. Whereas before partition, the feudal lords and notorious personalities of Punjab not only supported the Unionist Part (anti Pakistan party) but also openly opposed the creation of Pakistan.



Mr Hussain said that within a few years after the creation of Pakistan, the first elected Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan was assassinated leaving the Mohajirs without any sincere and true leadership. For years Mohajirs continued to suffer from the injustices – they were screened out from the government departments, doors to higher education and employments were closed for them, their annihilation in the fields of economic and education was carried out through the imposition of quota system and similar unjust policies were imposed upon them. No voice was raised against this oppression and injustices. As a result of this persistent injustices and victimisation MQM came into being, which initiated the struggle against these injustices and for the attainment of rights.



Elaborating on the subject Mr Hussain said that when we started our struggle, then instead of providing us our rights we were subjected to genocide, thousands of young people of our nation were ruthlessly murdered, thousands have been unlawfully detained in false and fabricated cases, dozens have been awarded death sentences in false and fabricated cases and are being detained in the death cells, more than 28 workers have been reported as ‘disappeared’ – they were unlawfully arrested and taken away by the personnel of law enforcement agencies in front of their family members.



What is our crime? For what reasons we are being punished? Did our forefathers create Pakistan so that the Police, Paramilitary Rangers and Administration would come from Punjab to commit massacres of our children and youth – on the pretext of crushing ‘terrorism’, our mothers and sisters would be humiliated – our areas would be attacked as if they were occupied or conquered and these areas would be kept under siege for days? Mr Hussain asked.



Mr Hussain said that there are far more Muslims living in India but despite the Hindu Muslim riots, it has never been witnessed that their Army attacked the Muslim areas similar to the attacks of Army, Paramilitary Rangers and Police in Pakistan on our localities and homes. What label should be attributed to this tragic situation where the people who gave their blood and sacrificed for the very creation of Pakistan are once again sacrificing their blood to save their generation and to attain their rights.



‘I had written letters to every president, prime minister and the chief of army staff of Pakistan but none of them could put an end to this oppression’ he said. Moreover, in 1994, we filed a constitutional petition in the Supreme Court of Pakistan but Mohajirs were not provided justice and our petition has been dumped in the cold storage. Under these circumstances where should the Mohajirs go? Whom should we seek justice from? And what course of action should we adopt?





Mr Hussain reiterated that Mohajirs have shown remarkable restraint so far but there is a limit to everything. If the genocide of Mohajirs and the process of awarding death sentences on false and fabricated charges continues then a time will come when they will cross all limits of patience and the responsibilities will then rest on the shoulders of the Establishment, not on the people of Mohajir Nation.



Mr Hussain advised the elders to remain united and be ready to face difficult times. It is the result of our unity and the struggle of 22 years that today Mohajirs are recognised as a nation not only in Pakistan but throughout the international world. He further said that the audacity, courage and boldness of our elders have widely contributed in our struggle and success. After the commencement of Army Operation on 19 June 1992, when our youth could not enter their areas and had to leave their homes, our elders came forward to carry out the work of the Movement. In the General Elections of 1997, without any fear for their lives they went into the “No Go Areas” and took control of the party work despite being subjected to torture at the hands of the Haqiqi terrorists in the presence of the Army. Mr Hussain speaking on the sacrifices of the elders stated that our elders have also sacrificed their lives for the Movement alongside the youth.



Highly appreciating and admiring the efforts, work and sacrifices of the elders under such difficult and critical conditions, he appealed to them to remain united because in a nation’s struggle it is essential that the elders and women and youth of that nation work side by side. He reminded the office bearers to always respect the elders and show their affection towards them because their presence is a great blessing for the Movement.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974)
Pakistan died much before 1974 possibly 1949/50 when the majority of Muslims opted for India.I for one am forever grateful to my grandfather for doing that else by now we would have all been ``Mohajirs`` in stinking Karachi.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) Re: # 623

Well worth the wait. Is there some way of jumping the queue.

Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974) Re: # 619

I am offering my services in removing that horrid burka and redressing them.

Imran Khan\'s Politics Re: # 76

Thank you bro for this info.Shall keep it in mind

thanks

BTW: What is this Heera Mandi?