From Marx to Mao to Jintao
Is it right you dont really care in communism of Work according to capacity wage according to means crudely put
"4. Capitalist society, which Marx described as a huge progress over the previous systems.........
5. Communist Society, in which everyone will contribute according to one’s ability and will receive according to one’s needs. In such a society, there will be no need for a state and so, the state shall wither away"
"The idea is to go from Ancient /Feudal society to CAPITALISM"you contend
"In doing so, they have also shown that dictatorship of the proletariat precedes rather than succeeds Capitalism"
This is logical b/c each system is selfishness motivated.
WHY would capitalist even though he /she has arrived at it though natural evolution of Ancient /feudal society give up capitalism ?
Will capitalism compel & cause dictatorship of porletariat.Never
.I think it age old example of Chicken & Egg.
Its not Putting the case on its head
precedes or follows is 'dil ko behlane ke liye ghalib ye khyal accha hai .'
Chinese show in marketiing .public relation is meaning less as hype (too much of it )
Second dictatorship of proleteriat never happened .USA will never let it happen
The nixon visit and Kissinger false promise to Yahya can be seen in this light
.Of course i am Biased AGAINST usa's filthy capitalism
& its attemt to consider 'proleteriate threat 'greater than Islamic jehadist terrorism
.After all 'non proleteriate' Saudi princes, Rich muslims are friend and never Proleteriate even if he/she is Christian
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Senna
Aug 15, 2008 08:08 am
Re: # 30Is it right you dont really care in communism of Work according to capacity wage according to means crudely put
"4. Capitalist society, which Marx described as a huge progress over the previous systems.........
5. Communist Society, in which everyone will contribute according to one’s ability and will receive according to one’s needs. In such a society, there will be no need for a state and so, the state shall wither away"
"The idea is to go from Ancient /Feudal society to CAPITALISM"you contend
"In doing so, they have also shown that dictatorship of the proletariat precedes rather than succeeds Capitalism"
This is logical b/c each system is selfishness motivated.
WHY would capitalist even though he /she has arrived at it though natural evolution of Ancient /feudal society give up capitalism ?
Will capitalism compel & cause dictatorship of porletariat.Never
.I think it age old example of Chicken & Egg.
Its not Putting the case on its head
precedes or follows is 'dil ko behlane ke liye ghalib ye khyal accha hai .'
Chinese show in marketiing .public relation is meaning less as hype (too much of it )
Second dictatorship of proleteriat never happened .USA will never let it happen
The nixon visit and Kissinger false promise to Yahya can be seen in this light
.Of course i am Biased AGAINST usa's filthy capitalism
& its attemt to consider 'proleteriate threat 'greater than Islamic jehadist terrorism
.After all 'non proleteriate' Saudi princes, Rich muslims are friend and never Proleteriate even if he/she is Christian
From Marx to Mao to Jintao
and then to Anna DMK ..LOL
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Senna
Aug 15, 2008 07:59 am
Re: # 33and then to Anna DMK ..LOL
An Ode Called Amritsar
Its the poor Hindus who are neumericall in FAR LARGER numbers you should be giving incentive to to get technical english education and not remain bhaiya chole batore walla tempo drivers dhobis living below poverty level
Muslims dont need anything from RSS VHP Jan Sanhgo BJP Bajrangi .They are one of the most honest working earning producing servicing like other such Indians on whose back India is running while you pontify on chowk
we both have times to pass and kill but atleast i THINK about them and not about Sanatan Dharm Sanskrit .You dont own India nor Dharmic nor Maharashtra OR ANYTHING other than your family and property .
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Senna
Jul 20, 2008 02:44 pm
Re: # 121Its the poor Hindus who are neumericall in FAR LARGER numbers you should be giving incentive to to get technical english education and not remain bhaiya chole batore walla tempo drivers dhobis living below poverty level
Muslims dont need anything from RSS VHP Jan Sanhgo BJP Bajrangi .They are one of the most honest working earning producing servicing like other such Indians on whose back India is running while you pontify on chowk
we both have times to pass and kill but atleast i THINK about them and not about Sanatan Dharm Sanskrit .You dont own India nor Dharmic nor Maharashtra OR ANYTHING other than your family and property .
An Ode Called Amritsar
Its not compulsary in India NOT to go to Englis hMedium School There millions of Indians( Except for cow belt bimaru states ) not spaeke write understand pronounce correctly Hindi Hindu Hindustan And for that matter the north indians have the same challenge and handicap with Tamil Telugu Mallayalam Kannada .Why pick only on indian muslims ???
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Senna
Jul 20, 2008 02:27 pm
"Come back when you start pronouncing Hindu/Indian names properly'Its not compulsary in India NOT to go to Englis hMedium School There millions of Indians( Except for cow belt bimaru states ) not spaeke write understand pronounce correctly Hindi Hindu Hindustan And for that matter the north indians have the same challenge and handicap with Tamil Telugu Mallayalam Kannada .Why pick only on indian muslims ???
An Ode Called Amritsar
O.K.Talking about sacrifice and sacrificing LIFE who died in Sepoy Mutiny of 1857
Hate to remind you Sikhs And punjabis sided with the British in that attack
Who was with Netaji Shah nawaz How Netaji escaped if not by Muslim smuggling him with muslim clothes trough Afghanistan.
Muslims were the adversary of Muslims (b/c Brit Wrested power from THEM )Who do you think British targetted most ?
Plz dont make Indian MUslims monolithic .Punjabi muslims had there own interest Bengali had there suffering Some got to keep ..Nizam Hyderabad b/c British for some reason befriended him .British also were kind to SOME sikhs .
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 02:17 pm
Re: # 118O.K.Talking about sacrifice and sacrificing LIFE who died in Sepoy Mutiny of 1857
Hate to remind you Sikhs And punjabis sided with the British in that attack
Who was with Netaji Shah nawaz How Netaji escaped if not by Muslim smuggling him with muslim clothes trough Afghanistan.
Muslims were the adversary of Muslims (b/c Brit Wrested power from THEM )Who do you think British targetted most ?
Plz dont make Indian MUslims monolithic .Punjabi muslims had there own interest Bengali had there suffering Some got to keep ..Nizam Hyderabad b/c British for some reason befriended him .British also were kind to SOME sikhs .
An Ode Called Amritsar
O.K. imy bad stand corrected and my typo is terrible .But what wanted to convey Viveka Nanda was Never Defending but explainig He never said this came from India or Ayurveda is Mother .He was forward loking rather than back into the past.
I read about shivaji I had only elementary education when history was before Shiv Sena Chatrapati Victoria terminus etc etc .Do you know about netaji Tagore Raja Ram mohan roy Nazrul Islam Nawab of Murshidabad Syed Aamir Ali Moulana Azad Himayun Kabir ???
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 01:55 pm
Re: # 116O.K. imy bad stand corrected and my typo is terrible .But what wanted to convey Viveka Nanda was Never Defending but explainig He never said this came from India or Ayurveda is Mother .He was forward loking rather than back into the past.
I read about shivaji I had only elementary education when history was before Shiv Sena Chatrapati Victoria terminus etc etc .Do you know about netaji Tagore Raja Ram mohan roy Nazrul Islam Nawab of Murshidabad Syed Aamir Ali Moulana Azad Himayun Kabir ???
An Ode Called Amritsar
No problem
U may or May not know i do have hindu Indian nicks too!
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 01:20 pm
Re: # 113No problem
U may or May not know i do have hindu Indian nicks too!
An Ode Called Amritsar
Is death comminsurate punishment for regional varion of JI and Siddiqui in Another .Be fair .More over a baby does not give a name to himself .
So Western medicine Unani Hakimi Took ayurved .No body is denying contributions .I am of the proponent all humans are equal .Brain Intelligence is not Confined to any race .Only Racist believe that.White thaught blacks were less .
As swami veveka nanda said where the head is held high
and gandhi said let the wind of outside breathe in for ideas to flow in . Arabic French Greek
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Senna
Jul 20, 2008 01:16 pm
Malika Sharmili Sharmila ..You advocate killing if there silly thing as name is Abdul Siddique and Not 'Aziz' Premji Is death comminsurate punishment for regional varion of JI and Siddiqui in Another .Be fair .More over a baby does not give a name to himself .
So Western medicine Unani Hakimi Took ayurved .No body is denying contributions .I am of the proponent all humans are equal .Brain Intelligence is not Confined to any race .Only Racist believe that.White thaught blacks were less .
As swami veveka nanda said where the head is held high
and gandhi said let the wind of outside breathe in for ideas to flow in . Arabic French Greek
An Ode Called Amritsar
that if India becomes one community like China but allowing diversity of ideas
Ideology though can be named capitaism communism its actually anonymous.You can plagarise copy incorporate ideas and not even acknowledge or give credit to.Already Bengals BrahmoSamajaryaSamaj Widow marriage treatment of women castless ness was admiringly seen by bhadrolok bengali and atempted tp propogate endorse suport by raja ranm mohan rabindro nath and even Swami Veveka nanda .Its all been done .
Regarding China thank god we all dont look alike pale yellow momgoloid to be considered one community .Yes idea of india is synthesis syncriticism
"Re: # 101 1993 blasts Konkani Muslim Dawood with ISI/Pakistani provided RDXs and detonators"
As i said before your nemesis is Pakistan
Any truly ISI agent terrorist be punished fairly just like Naxals Maoist Bodoland Ranvers sena .Treat blast like Crime
not witch hunt of Indian muslims.
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 01:00 pm
Re: # 105that if India becomes one community like China but allowing diversity of ideas
Ideology though can be named capitaism communism its actually anonymous.You can plagarise copy incorporate ideas and not even acknowledge or give credit to.Already Bengals BrahmoSamajaryaSamaj Widow marriage treatment of women castless ness was admiringly seen by bhadrolok bengali and atempted tp propogate endorse suport by raja ranm mohan rabindro nath and even Swami Veveka nanda .Its all been done .
Regarding China thank god we all dont look alike pale yellow momgoloid to be considered one community .Yes idea of india is synthesis syncriticism
"Re: # 101 1993 blasts Konkani Muslim Dawood with ISI/Pakistani provided RDXs and detonators"
As i said before your nemesis is Pakistan
Any truly ISI agent terrorist be punished fairly just like Naxals Maoist Bodoland Ranvers sena .Treat blast like Crime
not witch hunt of Indian muslims.
An Ode Called Amritsar
"Senna,
When are you becoming Charak?'
OOhh its about Avi Cenna .known to western Medicine .Abu Senna .
Hakim Unani dawakhana is littered all over India
Many Hindus enjoy Rooh Afzaof of Hamdard Dawakhana & thee medicines spl. Sardars
Hakim is considered equivalent to MBBS and Ayurved for many rural area medical care b/c its less expensive doctors ready and available .
So Unani Hakimi Avicenna like everything has become INDIAN .
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 12:39 pm
Re: # 102"Senna,
When are you becoming Charak?'
OOhh its about Avi Cenna .known to western Medicine .Abu Senna .
Hakim Unani dawakhana is littered all over India
Many Hindus enjoy Rooh Afzaof of Hamdard Dawakhana & thee medicines spl. Sardars
Hakim is considered equivalent to MBBS and Ayurved for many rural area medical care b/c its less expensive doctors ready and available .
So Unani Hakimi Avicenna like everything has become INDIAN .
An Ode Called Amritsar
"Mallika also comes from Shiva ..but it means queen like mallik mallika nor jehan .."
These words are common among muslims .Is it alright to have these names among muslims ?
Instead of Globalising you are moving BACKWARD .Indian learning arabic Chinese ,American learning Indian .
Like Farzana are you having Identity problem .
In your case between being Hindu first Indian second or vice versa
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 12:30 pm
Re: # 99"Mallika also comes from Shiva ..but it means queen like mallik mallika nor jehan .."
These words are common among muslims .Is it alright to have these names among muslims ?
Instead of Globalising you are moving BACKWARD .Indian learning arabic Chinese ,American learning Indian .
Like Farzana are you having Identity problem .
In your case between being Hindu first Indian second or vice versa
An Ode Called Amritsar
It is indian muslims from Audh and Buddhel khand who will call Abdalis and other foreign Mslims to invade the locals
So you agree there is no UMMAH and there for no Chummah on Jummah !
They dont even pray in the same mosque I mean aside from Ahmedia controversy .
........................
I didnt even know there was Blast till much later .Do you know who was behind Hyderabad Blast ,Samjhauta Train Blast .Do you even know who mudered Aruvashi father Talwar (what a name)or some one else .ask CBI ,Police :)
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 12:18 pm
Re: # 97It is indian muslims from Audh and Buddhel khand who will call Abdalis and other foreign Mslims to invade the locals
So you agree there is no UMMAH and there for no Chummah on Jummah !
They dont even pray in the same mosque I mean aside from Ahmedia controversy .
........................
I didnt even know there was Blast till much later .Do you know who was behind Hyderabad Blast ,Samjhauta Train Blast .Do you even know who mudered Aruvashi father Talwar (what a name)or some one else .ask CBI ,Police :)
An Ode Called Amritsar
But there are IQBAL singh ,MALLIKA shrewat ,MALLIKA Arora .Sharmili Tagore .KABIR bedi .
Hindus with persian influenced names
Muslim Kashmiris have non arabic names kashmiri Goni Trali Butt/Bhat .U r aleady Poluted che chee ram ram ram.
Most muslims wear salwar /Ahalwar Dupatta /Orni ,dont wear vermillion ,I dont think have Mangal Sutr ,Sikhs are closer to Muslims than Hindu.There was this Sikh who came to every friday prayer during lunch break .!Wahe Guru
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 12:07 pm
'Muslim can turn to Guru Granth Sahab and call 10th guru prophet 'But there are IQBAL singh ,MALLIKA shrewat ,MALLIKA Arora .Sharmili Tagore .KABIR bedi .
Hindus with persian influenced names
Muslim Kashmiris have non arabic names kashmiri Goni Trali Butt/Bhat .U r aleady Poluted che chee ram ram ram.
Most muslims wear salwar /Ahalwar Dupatta /Orni ,dont wear vermillion ,I dont think have Mangal Sutr ,Sikhs are closer to Muslims than Hindu.There was this Sikh who came to every friday prayer during lunch break .!Wahe Guru
An Ode Called Amritsar
"Islam has tendancy to override all other identities. "
Come on who are you kidding Guruji
The afghans are fighting Punjabi NWFP the muslim army of Pakistan .Bengali muslim broke away from other kind muslim .A kashmiri speaking muslim is not Bangali speaking or Bihari Speaking or Tamil speaking or Malayalam Speaking etc etc.etc .
Muslim from India have to get VISA of Dubai Gulf kwait just as Hindu INDIAN .
so I.M. is Different not only from Pakistani b/c diferent foreign to them languages but Christian Parsi Pakistani
They are Bengali(hymaun Kabir) Tamil (abul Kalam )And
THE BIGGEST 'NOT' OVERIDING THE IDENTITY is that OF RICH & poor .Muslim like Aga Bohra dont even socialise with other kind muslims.
just a joke would Dharmic ness let ne eat biryani Stay in DharamShala enter the Kitchen .Would Darmicness be embraced by all hindus including Brahmins and Achoot Choot Alike??
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 11:44 am
Re: # 90"Islam has tendancy to override all other identities. "
Come on who are you kidding Guruji
The afghans are fighting Punjabi NWFP the muslim army of Pakistan .Bengali muslim broke away from other kind muslim .A kashmiri speaking muslim is not Bangali speaking or Bihari Speaking or Tamil speaking or Malayalam Speaking etc etc.etc .
Muslim from India have to get VISA of Dubai Gulf kwait just as Hindu INDIAN .
so I.M. is Different not only from Pakistani b/c diferent foreign to them languages but Christian Parsi Pakistani
They are Bengali(hymaun Kabir) Tamil (abul Kalam )And
THE BIGGEST 'NOT' OVERIDING THE IDENTITY is that OF RICH & poor .Muslim like Aga Bohra dont even socialise with other kind muslims.
just a joke would Dharmic ness let ne eat biryani Stay in DharamShala enter the Kitchen .Would Darmicness be embraced by all hindus including Brahmins and Achoot Choot Alike??
An Ode Called Amritsar
If All (sikh Christian ,,etc ) are Same why are they named different .Many claimIndia withut hinduism ( its not bad )Do yu want allof them including Muslim to be assimilated into hindusm ??
muslim does not have compulsionto name arabic ( believe me ) Kidwai ,Sherrwani '''
And if you say Persian.. Feroz Gandhi Farook Engineer Aftab Shivdasani Ayesha Jhulka Aruna Irani BomanIrani Smiriti Irani perhabs all your Sindhi names are not really Indian Where Kakkar Jethmalani Advani Dadwani Haswani Gidwani Jasuja come from .And Christians have Arabic names .Tariq Aziz
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Senna
Jul 20, 2008 11:11 am
Re: # 89If All (sikh Christian ,,etc ) are Same why are they named different .Many claimIndia withut hinduism ( its not bad )Do yu want allof them including Muslim to be assimilated into hindusm ??
muslim does not have compulsionto name arabic ( believe me ) Kidwai ,Sherrwani '''
And if you say Persian.. Feroz Gandhi Farook Engineer Aftab Shivdasani Ayesha Jhulka Aruna Irani BomanIrani Smiriti Irani perhabs all your Sindhi names are not really Indian Where Kakkar Jethmalani Advani Dadwani Haswani Gidwani Jasuja come from .And Christians have Arabic names .Tariq Aziz
An Ode Called Amritsar
Islam wlll be dharmic if it drops name Islam and calls it self Advait or such Indian name. It drops Arabic scriptures and Abdul becomes Amar and Salma becomes Seema. If Arabic identity is totally erased, then Indianness will take roots. It is like abducted kids are brought home they need to put effort erasing the memory of abduction and living away from their home. What do you think? Above proposal will bring Indian Muslim population to zero within an year or two without any riots, murders, plunder or rape. It's Gandhian. You might call it Jizziya in reverse. But you should note that no one is taxing them except for using road, water and civic amenities and protection for supporting Indian Armed forces and Police.
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You want to treat the present muslim in future as having indian (hindu) name Advait.Personal names ...
What you want to do with Sikhs Jains /Or Millions of Christians Tribals in North East Jharkhand ...Give it up guru
Whats the sanskrit phrase the first thing you lose before death is your mind .
You are Right (except in reverse)All taxation including IRS that u file before 15 th april without any fight meekly is JIZYA of USA for fighting & protection for you.WE all already pay GOI tax
Guru ji you are a minority in India your self .Very soon the nuclear deal might be derailed inIndia influenced by Communist BJP and Mr Siddique of Samaj Wadi choosing Iraq Afghanistan Plestine blaming USA.See who majority India supports (instead of I.M ) ARABS over USA
Instead of Islam & Indian muslim fight the real nemesis Pakistan.
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Koran is the idol.....
If Koran is BAd b/c its 7 century OLD imagine how many more times Veda Geeta Upanishads Ramayanas are b/c they are much much OLDER ?
Posted by
Senna
Jul 20, 2008 10:45 am
Re: # 83 Senna,Islam wlll be dharmic if it drops name Islam and calls it self Advait or such Indian name. It drops Arabic scriptures and Abdul becomes Amar and Salma becomes Seema. If Arabic identity is totally erased, then Indianness will take roots. It is like abducted kids are brought home they need to put effort erasing the memory of abduction and living away from their home. What do you think? Above proposal will bring Indian Muslim population to zero within an year or two without any riots, murders, plunder or rape. It's Gandhian. You might call it Jizziya in reverse. But you should note that no one is taxing them except for using road, water and civic amenities and protection for supporting Indian Armed forces and Police.
.................................
You want to treat the present muslim in future as having indian (hindu) name Advait.Personal names ...
What you want to do with Sikhs Jains /Or Millions of Christians Tribals in North East Jharkhand ...Give it up guru
Whats the sanskrit phrase the first thing you lose before death is your mind .
You are Right (except in reverse)All taxation including IRS that u file before 15 th april without any fight meekly is JIZYA of USA for fighting & protection for you.WE all already pay GOI tax
Guru ji you are a minority in India your self .Very soon the nuclear deal might be derailed inIndia influenced by Communist BJP and Mr Siddique of Samaj Wadi choosing Iraq Afghanistan Plestine blaming USA.See who majority India supports (instead of I.M ) ARABS over USA
Instead of Islam & Indian muslim fight the real nemesis Pakistan.
.........................
Koran is the idol.....
If Koran is BAd b/c its 7 century OLD imagine how many more times Veda Geeta Upanishads Ramayanas are b/c they are much much OLDER ?
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