Of Carnage and Triumph From the article in #59..as you sow, so shall you reap..(i.e. karma is a female of the canine species)

The militants contacted by the AP Friday refused to say whether they suspected Pakistan's intelligence agencies or military of involvement in the attack on Bhutto. But they said sympathizers within government structures do indeed help suicide bombers.

"In the Pakistani (secret) agencies and in the army there are so many people who are not secular, who are fundamentalists and will help a suicide bomber to carry out his job," said Saifullah, a former district leader of Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen. Saifullah uses just one name.

Several senior al-Qaida operatives have been arrested in homes owned or occupied by members of the Jamaat-e-Islami party, which was part of a six-party religious alliance that governed North West Frontier Province until the parliament was dissolved earlier this month.

Several militant groups have also been linked to Pakistan's secret service, including Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Harakat-ul-Islam and Jaish-ul Mohammed. Pakistan has outlawed some of the groups but allowed them to resurface under other names.

Lashkar-e-Tayyaba was banned in 2002 but reconstituted as Jamaat-ud-Dawa, which was outlawed as a terrorist group by the United States. Pakistan, however, has refused to ban it.

Of Carnage and Triumph http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pakistan_militants

Pakistani militants share deep beliefs



By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer Fri Oct 19, 6:56 PM ET

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Some are al-Qaida, some are Taliban and others are homegrown. But all of Pakistan's militants share a vision and unshakable beliefs that include a ban on a woman leading the nation and opposition to a close alliance with America.

Militants contacted by The Associated Press in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province Friday called Thursday's suicide attack revenge for the Pakistani military operations in the area and the support Bhutto and Musharraf have offered the United States in its fight against terrorism.

Mahmoud Al Hasan, a leader of Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen(yup..the indigenous kashmiri freedom fighters of the HuM), a militant group aligned to Pakistan's religious Jamaat-e-Islami party, condemned the bombing because of the civilians who were killed, but attacked both Bhutto and Musharraf as a "slaves" of the United States.

A businessman in the northwestern city of Peshawar who finances militant groups said the attack against Bhutto was well-coordinated and planned. The man, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of being arrested by authorities, said there are hundreds of would-be bombers in Pakistan who are ready to blow themselves up in such attacks.

Of Carnage and Triumph #34 Posted by bulleya on October 20, 2007 2:37:03 am


.....one has to be amazed at the forgiving nature of pakistanis


you've served out more whoppers than BK but you still forgave yourself and resumed your role as the poohbah of geopolitics.

so pakis are forgiving and forgetful...

Of Carnage and Triumph #37 Posted by SR on October 20, 2007 3:12:32 am


quickly managed to encourage national amnesia


You believed what you wanted to believe and forgot what you wanted to forget. Nobody can make anyone forget anything. or delude them into believing something that isn't true.

Of Carnage and Triumph #29 Posted by masadi on October 20, 2007 12:56:25 am


In #28 read

as


you don't need to post corrections.

Most of us read masadi's posts as

US elite US elite US elite US elite

anyway...

Of Carnage and Triumph #1 Posted by neembu on October 19, 2007 1:25:51 pm


the bombings do not bode well.


really? bombings don't bode well?

profound..

Where\'s the news? #72 Posted by shankar on October 19, 2007 10:36:59 am

a non-failed pureland has repeatedly threatened to drop nukes on india and a non-failed pureland has repeatedly used islamic terrorists, the ones who killed 100+ pakis yesterday, against India..

so please explain to me in detail how it would be any different..all I keep hearing is "it'll be bad..trust us"..

Where\'s the news? #61 Posted by rf786 on October 19, 2007 6:19:20 am

you pakis keep saying a stable pakiland is in india's interest but you never back it up. why is a stable pureland necessary to india's progress anymore than a stable nepal or bangladesh is?

Where\'s the news? #54 Posted by rf786 on October 19, 2007 3:12:39 am


Pakistan has undergone through a ideological shift in the last thirty years as rightwing idealogues have imposed their vision at the expense of moderation and democracy.


imposed-schimposed..the paki junta was fine with the jihadis when pakis thought the jihadis were winning afghanistan for pureland and "bleeding" india in kashmir. pre 9/11, you could hardly see a voice in pureland going against the taliban. indeed, the majority of pakis wrote letters to the west asking the west to recognize the taliban's control over afghanistan as a fait accompli.


Failure is not an option for Pakistanis or Indians as a failed state with 160million souls will spell diseaster for this entire region.


why exactly is it a problem for india? india's been doing fine for the past 6 years while pureland has been circling down the jihadi toilet.

Where\'s the news? #56 Posted by bulleya on October 19, 2007 4:27:40 am


........this is not pakistan's war..



you created the jihadis...this is absolutely your fight. the people who died yesterday died because your government follows the policy of supporting islamic terrorism for it's strategic goals, be it strategic depth in afghanistan or core issue in kashmir...

just last week I pointed out a post of yours where you were telling us India should hand over kashmir or pakiland would sic the jihadis on india and keel bleeding it.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? #122 Posted by masadi on October 17, 2007 11:09:30 am


Arjun #120 shut up with your nonsense generalizations


You generalize all white people as racist and you're saying I'm bad for generalizing?

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? #116 Posted by masadi on October 17, 2007 8:19:35 am

funny how pakis, who can never shut up about how their perceived fairness makes them superior, whine about being discriminated against.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? #97 Posted by tahmed32 on October 17, 2007 1:50:38 am


Only muslim-haters (read arjuns posts gloating about the low popularity of the US in Pakistan)


yes prophetboy...pointing out that osama is popular in pureland makes me hateful...the 40%+ pakis who have a favorable opinion of osama? they're just victims of my postings on chowk.com.