The Empire Strikes Again in Pakistan #157 -

I agree with you that most of the discussion here on Chowk goes far far off topic and it is a reflection of the way our society generally functions...which is why we are on the verge of being a failed state.

I have to disagree with you on one thing, which is giving Jinnah that much importance that we all have to stick to what HE wanted for Pakistan. What is he? God? I give Jinnah no particular importance and see him as just another individual in our history, who was great, yes, but no more worthy of being the sole determinant of our lives than anyone else. I believe that it is quite clear that Pakistan was formed as a Muslim country, by Muslims and we have become a bunch of stupid hypocrites by bringing this whole BS about western style democracy and secularism. We fail to understand the identity of Pakistan is as a Muslim, not a Gora mimicking "Western Secular Democracy" whatever that BS is supposed to really mean.

One of the greatest problems our country faces is the same that most nations throughout history have faced. The elite is nothing like the rest of the nation and they are totally insincere, self-righteous and monopolize the state and its resources. What Pakistan needs is for those dumb Islamic parties to get overthrown by more educated and sincere Muslims who should then lead the drive to take Pakistan where it should have been going over the last 60 years; a role model of an Islamic State. Just like Israel which was formed on the basis of religion, we must recognize that we are a Muslim state and offer citizenship/immigration to all Muslims of the world regardless of their race or language. What Malaysia is today is what Pakistan was meant to be 30 years ago and we could have been much much more by now.

I however doubt that this will be allowed to happen both by the enemies within (the Pakistani "elite") who wish to tyrannize the public with their fanatic Ataturk-ish secular demagoguery/"democracy". The enemies outside are of course, the Americans whose definition of democracy excludes the possibility of the public of another country which it has nothing to do with being allowed to express its Islamic identity. Tyranny of Secularism.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably #73 - Hamidm

"..... unfortunately, there is nothing i can do about being born with this horrible double condition - islam and brown skin ..... and after seeing the mess michael jackson made out of himself, i am not willing to run the risk of changing my apprearance"

Really....that is just pathetic.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably #65 - Humsab,

The issue with the point you just made is that Hamidm regularly insults (rather than debate or discuss) Islam, the Prophet (pbuh), and everything Muslim in a most inappropriate way. I think its only fair that he be as respectful of other people's religion as he expects them to be about his wife. And please don't tell me such and such is against Islam because you don't get to insult and abuse a system and then turn to it as a rule book to hold against others. Also, you please re-read some of his older posts in which he has boasted of his wife having been Imrans classmate, not his sisters and also that she has been an immense "fan" of his ever since despite Hamidm's protestations to the contrary.

Laddu, you are such an idiot that you aren't worth more of a response than this. Your past posts clearly reflect your mental level and I'm sorry but I am not willing to stoop to it.

Hamidm,

You are an idiot!
"that's why we have to find and kill the jihadis over there - in iraq, afghanistan, waziristan"

Tell me please who "WE" is...conservative American values would mean that a sand nigger like you would never even have made it to the US. They still do not consider you one of them and you just indirectly admitted that when you said

"i agree with you completely - one more bombing and i might have to move into the cell next to yours in guantanamo"

So you too realize that your status in the US is basically a temporary one which will be easily revoked from you and you will be placed in the same category as those you call Jihadis. Does that not make you realize that they do not consider you part of the "WE"? You must be totally delusional to be arguing what you are.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably Hamidm,

I hope your tax dollars do go towards expanding guantanamo because what dimwits like you fail to realize is that the plan includes quarantining all Muslim origin people....just like they did to the Japanese. You think you will be treated any differently because you are a sell-out?

What about how you are treated at the airports when you travel...and don't give me any crap about you not having faced any difficulties because we all know that all Muslim looking, and even Sikh people have are regularly harassed as part of the racial profiling.

You will probably say that this is the price you are willing to pay to be free...but thats because you are an idiot and I would love to see your ass locked up in Guantanamo once the war you have been cheerleading for picks up and moves into that eventuality where all Muslims...including sell outs like you, will be locked up.

Sell out cheerleaders like you would sell your mothers to be white Americans, but too bad for you that you have been born a sand nigger like the rest of us...the way elite America sees it, the mullahs are sand niggers with beards and you are a sand nigger without a beard....that is the extent of the difference they see between you and the Taliban.

You also fail to realize that the War on Terror is not a liberal war, it is a war being supported by the conservatives of the US and conservative US values are White Christian American values that outright reject you Hamidm. You don't even realize that the bullshit you are uttering us total nonsense because you keep saying "WE" when you refer to America but look behind you and see if they consider you part of the "WE". You are most certainly not and the only one who will lose out is you....even your better half may leave you for the comfort of Imran's success while you get thrown away by those same White Christian Americans that you were dying to kiss up to and be part of.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably Why do I get the feeling that tahmed32 and Hamidm2 are the same pathetic little person with two personalities that can constantly provide reassurance to one another.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably #35 - LOL

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably Funny that we have cheerleaders amongst Pakistanis who fall all over themselves to be more American and liberal than the most liberal American. The only people left who feel that the War on Terror is going well are the ones who still believe that Bush is the best President ever....and if you have been following the news you will know that he just beat Nixon as the most unpopular President ever in the history of Gallup. His ratings are even lower than those of OJ Simpson during his murder trial. Its a totally moot point and those left who still believe that its going well should call the President and offer their services cause he's desperately looking for people to stand with him.

For people like Hamidm who live in Detroit and married women who have experience the studliness of Imran Khan...you have greater issues to worry about than trying to win a debate with everyone on Chowk at the same time. Detroit is losing jobs like there is no tomorrow and the axe could drop on you any day. As for the other matter, just spend more time with her cause Chowkies are here today and gone tomorrow but a wife is forever....at least until Imran decides to relight an old flame.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably I should add:

"At the bottom of this insane system probably lies a sick ideology not very different from Hitlers Aryanism or the Zionist Chosen people bullshit....or even some twisted Christian Rapture fantasy." These ridiculous ideologies which actually are a REAL and MAJOR force in the US have married with the military/Industrial complex to create a special interest group that thrives on war and has the grass roots following of millions of misguided Americans who either expect the Rapture, believe that God gave Palestine to the Jews, that Muslims are Gog and Magog, and the capitalist ones among them benefit financially while the Zionists among them enjoy their benefits. Its a win win situation for these nut jobs and they've got a good racket going.

Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably Personally I thought your article should have remained as an iLog since you totally missed the point as to why the War on Terror is failing. I'll simply repeat what I said in your iLog here:


These books are meant for the worker ants who are meant to "understand" the issue only enough to be able to carry out some function. Ask them for what they know and Donald Rumsfeld would respond with what is a typically cryptic and evasive answer, i.e. "known unknowns & unknown knowns, none of which can be known by those who don't already know...its national security"

Don't ya love that Orwellian double-triple-quadruple-multi-speak?

Similarly, none of information that they put out is actually what it is supposed to be...it all follows that same multi-speak pathology of theirs. At the bottom of this insane system probably lies a sick ideology not very different from Hitlers Aryanism or the Zionist Chosen people bullshit....or even some twisted Christian Rapture fantasy.

Pakistan at War #97 - krashid I think this would be a fair response to your point.

The Takfiri brand of Secularism
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/64095/47408


"Hamidm wife may be like Columbo's wife."

I think that would explain his lack of interest in her and spending all his time posting here at Chowk.

Pakistan at War krashid...any subject, including relgion may be debated and questioned and that is no problem at all. The problem lies in the quality of the debate....hurling insults, name calling, unfair stereotyping and out and out offensive language is no way to discuss anything. Hamidm has a tendency to insult and offend rather than discuss. If its ok to call the Prophet (Pbuh) names and insult muslims and Islam the way he has been, its just as fair to question how much of a "fan" his wife was when she was his "classmate". Imran is a stud with a reputation and Hamidm seems to spend more time on Chowk than with his wife....he may be crying for help...thats all.

Pakistan at War Skeptical...I think you are right on.

Pakistan at War # 70 Hamidm; the inconsistent and rambling idiot who dare not speak in public.

Hamid, I've been reading your bs for a few days and I have to say that I think you are really a spineless coward who just gets his kicks out of saying things on the net that he doesnt have the balls to utter elsewhere. Below is a selection of your recent posts in which you say all kinds of stupid things ranging from your plans to kill bearded people, to your fear of taking this macho attitude of your on Chowk anywhere else except this site...no appetite for reality?

You also seem to be awfully confused and the victim of an identity crisis. You also said elsewhere that your wife was Imran Khan's "classmate" and was a "fan" of his. Is this double-speak for your wife has diddled Imran before? Don't be upset....Imran's really been around and if your wife was his "classmate" and is his "fan"...she would be one of many. I guess its tough when you are a new immigrant to the US going through an identity crisis and your wife compares you to studs that you just can't compare to...maybe she's even diddling someone at the office and is never home...so poor Hamidm spends all his time on Chowk letting his anger out in other way...lashing out on the net.

You say "we muslims" and you also talk about Islam as if you have nothing to do with it and you insult the Prophet (Pbuh) and the Quran. You admit your own hypocrisy repeatedly here...when you visit Pakistan you change your appearance because you are a little sissy. It shows that you don't know what the hell you are talking about because that is not even an issue here....spend some time Karachi this shaadi season and you will find plenty of hot girls dressed all sorts of ways. But its funny that you talk about killing people with beards, yet you....you know what...you're not even worth it. Just keep on bullshitting...you have little else in life anyway.

"..... i am very consistent .... i never threatened to kill anyone personally"



"how to start a revolution and kill a mullah

Re: # 75

kuntakinte,

..... i really like the idea of an ataturk-like revolution where we can eliminate everyone with a beard and a pet sheep overnight"

"Re: # 90

zyxius,

... we are not talking about killing people, we are talking about killing mullahs ..."


"i am talking about killing 'vermin' with beards ..... people and vermin - they are not the same thing .... how do you know vermin? ...... well, it is like pornography - you know it when you see it .....a beard, maswak, bad body odor, a pet sheep on a leash, shaven armpits, a tasbeeh, the mark of the devil on the forehead, bruised and calloused ankles, a lota, mumbling in arabic and a suicide belt are all good indicators ....."


"..... no, i will not stand in the middle of the street in pakistan and voice my opinions about the prophet (pbuh and his camel) because i do not want to be beheaded ..... as a matter of fact, when i am i pakistan, i always carry a tasbeeh, use a twig to brush my teeth, and never pee standing up ..... i am not a fool ...."


"..... zyxius mian, wake up and smell the kava - we muslims are in big trouble and we don't even know it ...."

"..... and before someone objects to this discourse, let me say that this discussion is more relevant and definitely more intellectually stimulating than discussing the khilafat and the rantings of an illiterate prohet holed up in a cave" .........

Pakistan at War #66 - mohar...you seem to have a big stick up your ass over Pakistan. Maybe you should realize that the reason the US wants to be situated here is to be in a better position to give it to you Injuns and Chinese next. Thats how their strategy usually works.

As far as sending in their own guys is concerned, I am saying that rather than others falling into their trap and fighting their wars for them, we should force them to do their dirty deeds themselves. Idealistic? I know. I think it is actually worth the devastating cost to have the Americans get it our of their system and have their sons & daughters sent home in body bags wholesale. Besides, they are so damned tied up in Iraq and the planning for Iran is at an advanced stage...so I doubt very much they have enough free hands or the public appetite to do anything more than bitch about it and cut off aid. No amount of aid is worth a civil war in your country....it contradicts the purpose of the term aid. American aid is more like a slow working poison which is sure to kill.

Hamidm....I think you should grow a pair and speak in your beliefs in public before you try to be a hero from the safety of your computer. One day you're making threats to kill all bearded people, force surgical procedures on the population etc. Another time you admitted that you are a cowardly sissy who wouldn't dare speak what he thinks in public, but you fancy yourself as the next Ataturk. Take some medication and shut up man...there is no point talking to people who don't even have the balls to be consistent.

Pakistan at War I'm afraid in Pakistan the US has the top generals of the Pak army as their errand boys, while amongst the politicians they have a wide selection of traitors with vast experience in the manipulation of their people/sheeple. If not the hijacking of our democracy by the army, then we have feudals, and if not the feudals, we have robber-baron businessmen, and if not them, we have fanatic secularists who are out of touch with Pakistan but fancy themselves as the next Ataturks (poor losers), and if not them we have our munafiq leaders leaders like Fazloo who spend their spare time in brothels in Dubai and a day at the office involves making fools of his own constituency, and if not them, we have the terrorists at MQM....we could go on.

Divide and rule, divide and rule, divide and rule....they've been doing it to us for hundreds of years and we still fall for the same shit again and again. If we had any sense at all we would finally wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the best option for us is to accept anything that is stable for now so that we can at least get on our feet to the point that our President/PM don't have to remove the US President's member from his mouth before being able to address his own people. We shouldn't have to take dictates from others...that should be our top priority rather than some fantasy democracy that we are too ill-equipped to bring about in this screwed up country.

Movements for an independent judiciary and freedom of the media are again going so far as to divide our country yet again and enabling foreign interest to dictate what our country must do. Bibi is acknowledging our slave status when she keeps coming on various media to address the US government and people to "bring regime change in Pakistan", "threaten the cut off of aid and military assistance", look to her as the only democratic and secular option for Pakistan...etc.

Now we have morons like this Akmal Hussain guy writing this article which obviously totally ignores the role that "Collateral Damage", Kidnappings, and the War on Terror have had to play in creating the violence we see in these areas. It smells like the same crap that the New York Times and other Zionist mouthpieces were shoving down the throats of the American public to fraudulently push them into war with Iraq on behalf of Israel, the military/industrial complex and the oil industry. Don't kid yourself Mr Hussain, you don't even have the talent to be a bullshitter like those guys....you may as well create iLogs like the rest of us....that would be a more appropriate place for incomplete ramblings and random thoughts.

Watch these legions of misguided fools create a civil war in Pakistan. Who do you think is going to be laughing all the way to the bank? Only the Americans benefit from this because it leaves us killing each other and fighting American wars in our area without them even having to send their boots on the ground. I say we make them send their guys in so we can enjoy the show and watch more dumb hicks die for their Jewish masters.

Divide and rule!

Pakistan at War My God this article was such bullshit that I could hardly go through it. This guy must either be totally delusional, or he's one of those speaks with some agenda....and it doesn't look from this article that we're dealing with that kind of intelligence. Its just screaming all kinds of hysterical nonsense about Pakistan being under attack....and threat to survival....he may as well throw in that Team American song:

"Freedom is the only way....America....fuck yeah!!"

What an idiot!

There is no such thing as Al Qaeda...I challenge you to find someone even 7 degrees removed from you who belongs to Al Qaeda...I tried out of curiosity and couldn't come up with anything. There is Taliban...but you totally misunderstand that issue all together and I won't bother getting into it here.

The reasons for this current violence are the Pakistani government fighting an American war the American way....lots of "Collateral Damage" (Killing innocent civilians), "Extra Ordinary Renditions" (kidnapping), and "Stepped up interrogation techniques" (Torture) in the name of the "War on Terror" (War on Muslims on behalf of the paranoid imperialist racist Likunids and PNAC Crowd).

Why not understand an issue before writing a shit piece Mr Hussain?