Voice from Waziristan Pakis are whacking each other...good...

roses are red, violets are blue
the jihadis you created, are now killing you..

Musharraf ran proxy war in Kashmir in 1990s: Book

Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf [Images], Commander of 4 Corps (Lahore [Images]) Lt Gen Mohammed Aziz and Chief of General Staff Gen Mohammed Yusuf had run a proxy war in Jammu and Kashmir [Images] in the early 1990s, a new book has claimed.

"Musharraf and Aziz had trained together as commandos in the 1960s and, together with Yusuf, had played critical roles in the training of the Afghan Mujahideen in the 1980s under the tutelage of General Hamid Gul," the book Deception: Pakistan, the United States and the Global Nuclear Weapons Conspiracy stated.

"Musharraf, Aziz and Yusuf had run the proxy war in Kashmir in the early 1990s, and Aziz, a Kashmiri by birth, had been on the ground handling Musharraf's disastrous Kargil operation in 1999," the book by investigative journalists Adrian Levy and Catherin Scott-Clark said.

The authors are internationally renowned and award winning investigative journalists who worked as staff writers and foreign correspondents for the Sunday Times before joining the Guardian.

Aziz was so close to Pakistan's sponsored jihadi organisations that when Musharraf had tried to promote him to commander of 10 Corps (Rawalpindi) in October 1999 as a precursor to making him army chief, a job that would have brought him back to the capital, Jamaat-e-Islami and Maulana Fazlur Rahman of the Jamiat Ulema Islam protested, warning it would weaken the ihad in Kashmir.

Musharraf subsequently backed down, the authors said.

Aziz held great influence over Pakistan's president. He persuaded Musharraf against clamping down on the Taliban and Osama bin Laden as a result of the then US president Bill Clinton's [Images] visit to Islamabad in 2000 and he also vetoed US demands for action against Pakistan-based activities of outfits such as the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Tayiba.

Aziz was promoted to chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a position that until then Musharraf had retained for himself.

Yusuf was promoted to vice chief of army staff, the second most important job in the Pakistan army.

Voice from Waziristan Thanks to youtube, we can now watch allah's army duking it out with the jihadis everynight over beer and popcorn.

Voice from Waziristan seriously..I saw a hamid mir piece on youtube...the paki army is using artillery and helicopter gunships to kill allah's chosen muslims, the pakis..

that would be like india using artillery and heli-gunships in kulu-manali..any government that did that would be out on it's rear..

Will President Bush Invade Iran?
They don’t want another war.


Oh yes they'll support a war if it's clean..Aerial bombardment that looks good on CNN..like serbia..


My personal theory is that bush or hillary will bomb the republican guard saying they are terrorist groups and we're only attacaking terrorists..then the iranians will start the war.

Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore! #123 Posted by Urstruly on October 27, 2007 10:49:31 am


It was an ideology that had desensitized those soldiers of the cruety towards their own flesh and blood. In other words it is not the flesh and blood,

Just as you've been desensitized into paying taxes that are going to buy the helicopter gunships that are killing your jihadi brothers(and their wonen and children)..

Neoliberalism and Madrassas: An Unholy Connection #42 Posted by masadi on October 27, 2007 9:54:16 pm



Using this structure the Taliban were created in Pakistan, with tacit approval of the Americans who were wheeling and dealing with them as well pre-9/11


Mr Person-who-gets-his-paycheck-from-the-lackey-government-of-pakistan: That is BS and you know it...

YOU..let me repeat..YOU were completely responsible for the taliban..and you tried your hardest to use islamic terrorism to wrest kashmir from india and that failed completely..

so if the paki people are dying..good..you are lying in the bed you made..

Neoliberalism and Madrassas: An Unholy Connection HAHA...listen to imran khan say how pureland has used helicopter gunships against allah's chosen people while indians have never used any such thing.you tube link

Neoliberalism and Madrassas: An Unholy Connection #25 Posted by masadi on October 27, 2007 8:18:22 am


Was Pakistan governed by a democratic people's government when it made the decision to fight America's war? When you have an indigeneously staffed foreign occupation force,


Masadi...your US elites made us do it is getting to be like the twinkie made me do it defense..

let's see...

did pakis agitate in the streets to protest against that policy..NOPE..in fact, even pakis will tell you that pakis were fully on board with the afghan jihad because they saw the $$ it brought into pureland..

another thing: despite what paki revisionists will tell you, the taliban were entirely created, armed and trained by the paki army..and starting with the government of the military dictator benazir bhutto...did pakis agitate in the streets then? NOPE...

of course, the whole paki adventure in using islamic terrorism in kashmir was done entirely of your own volition..in fact, the majority of pakis openly professed their support of the jihad in kashmir before 9/11 sent their love for jihad into the closet..



On the other hand when you say "good" to Pakis dying, that tells me that you are a stinking immoral a.h


you're right...morals are for religious people and fools..

regardless, the fact that I'm enjoying every minute of this civil war isn't what is killing pakis...what's killing pakis is the choices you made and your use of islamic terrorism as a state policy..

Neoliberalism and Madrassas: An Unholy Connection #15 Posted by masadi on October 26, 2007 9:02:54 pm


importing indoctrinating literature published in Nebraska, with help from "Saudi Petro Dollars", with tacit approval of the Americans, all for the purpose of fighting a proxy cold war with the Soviets.


you weren't dragged kicking and screaming into that adventure. It was a conscious decision on your part..you saw F-16s and $$ and thought it would be a good idea to indoctrinate your own people...

then, after the afghan war was over, you thought you could use islamic indoctrination to fight your fights in a'stan and kashmir...

so if pakis are dying...good..it's all your own damn doing..

Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore! #100 Posted by Urstruly on October 26, 2007 12:20:50 pm


Anything, including casting votes, in these elctions is haram


paying taxes that are buying the helicopters and bombers that are killing your jihadi buddies(and their women and children) is halal?

Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore! #105 Posted by shankar on October 26, 2007 4:43:40 pm


Unlike our buddy Romair, I'm no nostradamus.


romair has a 100% record..

100% of his predictions for the future turned out to be completely wrong.

100% of his predictions of the past turned out to be completely true.

Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore! #108 Posted by dost_mittar on October 26, 2007 5:59:52 pm


Unhon nain tumhaara kya bigaada hai?


So you feel their pain now?

Personally I'm enjoying every minute of it...the army of allah's chosen people is killing and being killed by allah's army..

Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore! PAKISTAN/AFGHANISTAN: Civilians Flee Air Strikes on Militant Targets
By Ashfaq Yusufzai

PESHAWAR, Oct 25 (IPS) - Civilians are fleeing Pakistan’s lawless border areas abutting Afghanistan following heavy artillery fire and air strikes by the military against militant targets.

The spurt in military activity comes in the wake of a spike in attacks on the Pakistan army and supply convoys in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) after the breakdown of ceasefire agreements between the government and pro-Taliban tribal groups.

Nearly 300 troops including nine officers were kidnapped in South Waziristan, one of the FATA’s seven agencies, in end-August, and are yet to be set free. The soldiers are believed to have surrendered without firing a shot.

Early October, 50 soldiers were reported missing when a supply convoy was ambushed. Local reports say all 50 were killed and their bodies set on fire. The army claims only half the number were killed.

The military has retaliated with massive firepower killing scores of civilians and forcing thousands to flee to safer locations in FATA and neighbouring North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

"About 150 civilians, mostly, women, children and elderly people died and as many received burn injuries," confirmed a doctor who did not want to be identified, at the Agency Headquarters Hospital, Miramshah.

He said that the battles which began on Oct. 6 and continued for four days, were the deadliest attacks he has seen in his 20 years in Miramshah, the headquarters of the North Waziristan agency, on the porous Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

People in the thousands -- from Ippi, Mir Ali, Haiderkhel and Iramshah villages of North Waziristan -- have left for safer places. They have fled on foot, in tractor trailers, cars and other vehicles.

"They didn’t even let us bury our dead," a resident of Mir Ali, who had brought his wounded son to Peshawar, complained. "Our villages are under siege and our tribes scattered. All roads between Bannu and Mir Ali are closed. We had to trudge for hours on roads with the wounded and elderly, moving them in wheel-barrows."

A local journalist told IPS that 80 percent of families have fled the troubled areas, leaving behind one or two members to guard their properties.

In adjacent South Waziristan, massive displacements have taken place in Barwand, Fareeday, Shamkay, Gur Gurray, Garday Raghza, Spinkai and Spinkai Raghzai areas.

Here, a similar exodus was seen in October 2006 after massive air strikes by the army. Some 5,000 uprooted families returned home only two or three months later.

For some the displacement is permanent this year. "We cannot return to North Waziristan because I have sold my house at a throwaway price after the death of my two sons in bombing in the Mir Ali and Miramshah areas on Oct. 6," wept an aggrieved father, Rahim Gul.

A driver in the port city of Karachi, in Pakistan’s south, he had rushed home on hearing that his two sons were killed, and another crippled in the air strike.

Leader of the Pashtun-dominated Awami National Party, Senator Asfandyar Wali Khan told IPS that about 400 women and children were killed during the fighting. "We will resist the killing of innocent people in the name of US-led war on terrorism," he declared.

Since Pakistan enlisted in the so-called ‘war on terror’ in 2001, pressure has increased to flush out al Qaeda and Taliban who escaped US-led military operations in Afghanistan and sheltered in North and South Waziristan. Over the years, Pakistan says it has deployed 90,000 troops in the tribal areas.

The army suffered disastrous losses in 2004, and signed a string of peace treaties leaving FATA to the religious extremists. But attacks in Bajaur and South Waziristan in late 2006 and early 2007 enraged the extremists who swore revenge.

In July, the army’s storming of the Red Mosque in Islamabad added fuel to the fire. The militants targeted the army and police, forcing retaliatory action in which more than 100 people died.

"We pound with heavy artillery fire and shelling the areas from where the forces are attacked," said military spokesmen Maj. Gen. Arshad Waheed.

The civilians, mainly Mahsud and Wazir tribesmen, caught in between are the innocent casualties of war. Tariq Khan, a social activist, told IPS that scores of Wazir tribesmen were staying in tents erected on roadsides in various parts of Tank.

Initially, hundreds of tribesmen lived in the trucks and vans in which they arrived in Tank, he said. Soon, most had rented premises to stay and a few were given shelter by fellow tribesmen who had been living in Tank for some time.

"Some 10 families are living in the compound of my house as they cannot afford rented premises," said Hidayatullah, a Mahsud tribesman who runs a private business in Tank.

"We cannot live here forever; we will certainly go back to our homes, household items and agriculture land," said Ashiq Ali.

The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said civilians were caught in the crossfire. "We seek an immediate end to hostilities, bombing of villages and use of heavy weapons that endanger the lives of civilian population," Kamran Arif, HRCP’s NWFP chapter vice-chairperson, told IPS.

Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore! #60 Posted by stuka on October 25, 2007 1:16:22 pm


Guys I have a simple question? Who should we Indians root for? The Pakistan Army or the Islamists?


IF the weeds in your lawn got into a death match with the grubs, who would you root for?

you should root for neither side to have the upper hand so they are in perpetual conflict.

Welcome Home Ms Bhutto #350 Posted by bulleya on October 25, 2007 12:09:05 am


and why its advice should not be followed by pakistan in waziristan


yup..that's why pureland is bombing waziristan..based on "advice" from the US..I didn't realize they changed the meaning of advice to "bomb the frikking jihadis or we'll bomb your ass"..

Welcome Home Ms Bhutto #369 Posted by bulleya on October 25, 2007 7:09:14 am


is the only thing that is important in the world the thoughts of american citizens?


for the american government, yes...

it's a great idea...democracy..you all should try it..


or do the rest of us have a right to say something also?


you have a right to say anything you want..nobody is stopping you from telling us to change our dressing habits..