The Sudanese Teddy Bear Saga
I have news for islamofascists like you who live in the west..in the west, i can call my dog mohammad and there's nothing the 1.2 offended billion muslims can do about it.
get over it..
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 07:52 pm
#90 Posted by zeemax on December 8, 2007 10:36:49 pm I have news for islamofascists like you who live in the west..in the west, i can call my dog mohammad and there's nothing the 1.2 offended billion muslims can do about it.
get over it..
The Conspiracy Theory
Musharraf popularity poll exposed as Internet fraud
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: A public opinion poll that suggested an increase in President Pervez Musharraf’s popularity since he stepped down as army chief and became a civilian president has one major flaw: the US-based organisation that claims to have conducted the poll does not exist.
A press release issued last week claimed that according to a survey conducted by the US-based International Public Opinion Polls (IPOP), 74 percent of those surveyed had said that Pervez Musharraf would get a boost in popularity as civilian president.
The comprehensive directory of polling and survey research organisations in the United States does not list any organisation by the name of IPOP. Other than the alleged Pakistan survey, IPOP has never conducted any other polls according to its website, information confirmed through an Internet search. The IPOP website (www.ipublicpolls.com) carries no organisational details of IPOP. The PDF version of the poll posted on the website says that IPOP is located in Boston, Massachusetts, and gives its zip code as 02106, which does not exist on the US Post Office’s website.
The press release also claimed that the survey was conducted in Pakistan’s major cities via internet and telephone. Given the relatively limited access to the internet and landline telephone service in Pakistan, the methodology cited remains suspect. The IPOP poll also came up with the finding that 55 percent of those surveyed wanted Pakistan’s political parties to take part in an election under civilian President Pervez Musharraf.
Many newspapers carried the poll received via email. However, Daily Times did not publish it.
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 05:44 pm
Mushy's lackeys are either complete morons or think the paki public is a bunch of morons.Musharraf popularity poll exposed as Internet fraud
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: A public opinion poll that suggested an increase in President Pervez Musharraf’s popularity since he stepped down as army chief and became a civilian president has one major flaw: the US-based organisation that claims to have conducted the poll does not exist.
A press release issued last week claimed that according to a survey conducted by the US-based International Public Opinion Polls (IPOP), 74 percent of those surveyed had said that Pervez Musharraf would get a boost in popularity as civilian president.
The comprehensive directory of polling and survey research organisations in the United States does not list any organisation by the name of IPOP. Other than the alleged Pakistan survey, IPOP has never conducted any other polls according to its website, information confirmed through an Internet search. The IPOP website (www.ipublicpolls.com) carries no organisational details of IPOP. The PDF version of the poll posted on the website says that IPOP is located in Boston, Massachusetts, and gives its zip code as 02106, which does not exist on the US Post Office’s website.
The press release also claimed that the survey was conducted in Pakistan’s major cities via internet and telephone. Given the relatively limited access to the internet and landline telephone service in Pakistan, the methodology cited remains suspect. The IPOP poll also came up with the finding that 55 percent of those surveyed wanted Pakistan’s political parties to take part in an election under civilian President Pervez Musharraf.
Many newspapers carried the poll received via email. However, Daily Times did not publish it.
The Conspiracy Theory
and you didn't answer: which targets?
for targets in waziristan, JDAMs launched from bombers can do the job too.
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 05:40 pm
#119 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 1:09:00 pmand you didn't answer: which targets?
for targets in waziristan, JDAMs launched from bombers can do the job too.
The Conspiracy Theory
The US doesn't need a base for that. A phone call to the general in charge and a reference to the stone age is enough.
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 05:36 pm
#119 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 1:09:00 pmThe US doesn't need a base for that. A phone call to the general in charge and a reference to the stone age is enough.
The Conspiracy Theory
In surprise attack time and space matters.
Not when you have stealth bombers based in the US that can fly bombing missions to any part of the world.
With these bases flying time to various future targets has been substantially reduced.
What future targets?
This is a matter of precision target attacks and gunnery.
Gunnery?
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 01:02 pm
#93 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 12:15:33 pmIn surprise attack time and space matters.
Not when you have stealth bombers based in the US that can fly bombing missions to any part of the world.
With these bases flying time to various future targets has been substantially reduced.
What future targets?
This is a matter of precision target attacks and gunnery.
Gunnery?
The Conspiracy Theory
Bull in China's shop
Humayun Gauhar
America has two immediate objectives in Pakistan.
One: neuter our nuclear programme by bringing it under its control.
Two: get the Peoples Republic of China out of Pakistan; particularly out of every strategic advantage that it has there, otherwise its encirclement would be futile.
The latter is part of the US grand design, which has made it a bull in China's shop. There can only be one result: bull burgers, or perhaps sweet and sour bull. Everything else that it claims to be promoting, like 'democracy' and the ganging up of US stooges and agents euphemistically called 'moderate forces' are just weapons of mass destruction to create chaos and weaken us to achieve these two objectives.
Not to put too fine a point on it, America wants to make Pakistan a complete vassal state (partial it already is, like nearly all other countries, except China and Russia) that runs only according to its will and to its advantage. Some Pakistanis might find this an interesting proposition and even welcome it. Some would be happier still if we were to become America's 51st state. But the vast patriotic majority balks at this bleak possibility.
To achieve these nefarious objectives America is trying to create a false justification for political and military intervention - just as it did with Iraq - that Pakistan is the most dangerous place in the world because its nuclear arsenal is under tenuous control and will be totally out of control if Muslim extremists take over the state, of which, if America is to be believed, there is an imminent possibility (Actually, this could only happen if America does actually attack Pakistan either from the inside or outside).
Since Pakistan is much bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan, and far more powerful, they daren't attack it frontally. It could lead to Armageddon. So they are using the old Soviet trick that was applied in Afghanistan: force a stooge leader to 'invite' America into the country to restore peace and fight the militants.
Thus to make the danger of 'terrorists with Pakistani nukes rampant' sound real, America weakened President Musharraf (though it is Musharraf's fault for starting target practice on his foot with a single-minded obsession) and threw Pakistan's political process, which otherwise was well on course towards its next objective of elections after the parliaments had run their terms for the first time ever, into turmoil. When Musharraf was weakened enough they forcibly re-insinuated Benazir Bhutto into our body politic.
America and its Pakistani stooges talk ad nauseam of the rule of law, but to reintroduce Benazir into Pakistan, Musharraf had to make a complete mockery of the law - one law for her and another for the rest of us. Not a squeak out of America and its Pakistani stooges when that happened. To its utter disbelief the USA soon discovered that Benazir has become delusional and lives in a time warp.
Worse, far from being 'the most popular leader in Pakistan' who owns the 'only national party with the largest following' she is only a small time sub-nationalist from rural Sindh. America the Democrat has allowed Pakistan's Benazir off the hook because it bought this false notion thanks to the British and Benazir-hired PR firms and lobbyists.
To balance this, Mr Nawaz Sharif was also allowed back into the equation, though, needless to say, there is one law for him too and another for Benazir. How else could his and his brother's papers be rejected by the Election Commission? Because he has been convicted and she hasn't?
What nonsense! They could easily have made another perfidious law that would allow him specifically to contest elections regardless, but not any other convict. And as far as I know his brother has not been convicted of any crime. It would seem that America is promoting corruption in the name of democracy, anti-Islamism in the name of secularism and fascism in the name of moderation - fascism being the pursuit of the most retrogressive ends (like fortifying feudalism) by employing the most progressive rhetoric (Islamic Socialism). This is exactly what Father Bhutto's government achieved.
Mercifully, the chances that elections will make Benazir prime minister are near zilch. However, no party is likely to win a majority, so there will have to be a coalition government again. The chances that the PML-Q will win the most seats are the highest.
Chances are, too, that it will not need PPP seats to achieve a majority. But if the army is forced by America to force Benazir into the coalition with the PML-Q kicking and screaming, then we are in for chaos - precisely what America wants in order to enter 'this ungovernable country', for such a cat and dog coalition would not last long. But if by the time of the elections Musharraf has lifted the emergency, which he has officially said he might, then only the army will have the power to withstand US diktat. Who would bet on that?
President Musharraf has already warned the West against forcing its various versions of electoral democracy, which took them hundreds of years to achieve, down our throats. He should go further. When the emergency ends he will be a tiger with one tooth. What's the point?
A US-based opinion poll has it that Musharraf's popularity has increased to 74 percent after he became a civilian president and 79 percent feel that democracy will be strengthened. This is the time to strike. Musharraf has said that he will leave if the election results are not to his satisfaction.
Good. Why does he not really resign as president after the elections, enter politics formally, head his own political party and eventually become the prime minister himself? It won't take long, given the pathetic opposition. Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain has offered that he is ready to vacate his position as president of the Pakistan Muslim League for Musharraf.
This is one hell of an offer, which will be good for Pakistan and good for Musharraf. He will be surprised at how many people from the 'silent majority' who always supported him but never went public join his party.
Niccolo Machiavelli said this about elections: "Each candidate behaved well in the hope of being judged worthy of election. However, this system was disastrous when the city had become corrupt. For then it was not the most virtuous but the most powerful who stood for elections, and the weak, even if virtuous, were too frightened to run for office."
E-mail: hgauhar@nation.com.pk
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 12:12 pm
Speaking of conspiracy theories, here's the bat-shit-crazy as always author of mushy's book..Bull in China's shop
Humayun Gauhar
America has two immediate objectives in Pakistan.
One: neuter our nuclear programme by bringing it under its control.
Two: get the Peoples Republic of China out of Pakistan; particularly out of every strategic advantage that it has there, otherwise its encirclement would be futile.
The latter is part of the US grand design, which has made it a bull in China's shop. There can only be one result: bull burgers, or perhaps sweet and sour bull. Everything else that it claims to be promoting, like 'democracy' and the ganging up of US stooges and agents euphemistically called 'moderate forces' are just weapons of mass destruction to create chaos and weaken us to achieve these two objectives.
Not to put too fine a point on it, America wants to make Pakistan a complete vassal state (partial it already is, like nearly all other countries, except China and Russia) that runs only according to its will and to its advantage. Some Pakistanis might find this an interesting proposition and even welcome it. Some would be happier still if we were to become America's 51st state. But the vast patriotic majority balks at this bleak possibility.
To achieve these nefarious objectives America is trying to create a false justification for political and military intervention - just as it did with Iraq - that Pakistan is the most dangerous place in the world because its nuclear arsenal is under tenuous control and will be totally out of control if Muslim extremists take over the state, of which, if America is to be believed, there is an imminent possibility (Actually, this could only happen if America does actually attack Pakistan either from the inside or outside).
Since Pakistan is much bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan, and far more powerful, they daren't attack it frontally. It could lead to Armageddon. So they are using the old Soviet trick that was applied in Afghanistan: force a stooge leader to 'invite' America into the country to restore peace and fight the militants.
Thus to make the danger of 'terrorists with Pakistani nukes rampant' sound real, America weakened President Musharraf (though it is Musharraf's fault for starting target practice on his foot with a single-minded obsession) and threw Pakistan's political process, which otherwise was well on course towards its next objective of elections after the parliaments had run their terms for the first time ever, into turmoil. When Musharraf was weakened enough they forcibly re-insinuated Benazir Bhutto into our body politic.
America and its Pakistani stooges talk ad nauseam of the rule of law, but to reintroduce Benazir into Pakistan, Musharraf had to make a complete mockery of the law - one law for her and another for the rest of us. Not a squeak out of America and its Pakistani stooges when that happened. To its utter disbelief the USA soon discovered that Benazir has become delusional and lives in a time warp.
Worse, far from being 'the most popular leader in Pakistan' who owns the 'only national party with the largest following' she is only a small time sub-nationalist from rural Sindh. America the Democrat has allowed Pakistan's Benazir off the hook because it bought this false notion thanks to the British and Benazir-hired PR firms and lobbyists.
To balance this, Mr Nawaz Sharif was also allowed back into the equation, though, needless to say, there is one law for him too and another for Benazir. How else could his and his brother's papers be rejected by the Election Commission? Because he has been convicted and she hasn't?
What nonsense! They could easily have made another perfidious law that would allow him specifically to contest elections regardless, but not any other convict. And as far as I know his brother has not been convicted of any crime. It would seem that America is promoting corruption in the name of democracy, anti-Islamism in the name of secularism and fascism in the name of moderation - fascism being the pursuit of the most retrogressive ends (like fortifying feudalism) by employing the most progressive rhetoric (Islamic Socialism). This is exactly what Father Bhutto's government achieved.
Mercifully, the chances that elections will make Benazir prime minister are near zilch. However, no party is likely to win a majority, so there will have to be a coalition government again. The chances that the PML-Q will win the most seats are the highest.
Chances are, too, that it will not need PPP seats to achieve a majority. But if the army is forced by America to force Benazir into the coalition with the PML-Q kicking and screaming, then we are in for chaos - precisely what America wants in order to enter 'this ungovernable country', for such a cat and dog coalition would not last long. But if by the time of the elections Musharraf has lifted the emergency, which he has officially said he might, then only the army will have the power to withstand US diktat. Who would bet on that?
President Musharraf has already warned the West against forcing its various versions of electoral democracy, which took them hundreds of years to achieve, down our throats. He should go further. When the emergency ends he will be a tiger with one tooth. What's the point?
A US-based opinion poll has it that Musharraf's popularity has increased to 74 percent after he became a civilian president and 79 percent feel that democracy will be strengthened. This is the time to strike. Musharraf has said that he will leave if the election results are not to his satisfaction.
Good. Why does he not really resign as president after the elections, enter politics formally, head his own political party and eventually become the prime minister himself? It won't take long, given the pathetic opposition. Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain has offered that he is ready to vacate his position as president of the Pakistan Muslim League for Musharraf.
This is one hell of an offer, which will be good for Pakistan and good for Musharraf. He will be surprised at how many people from the 'silent majority' who always supported him but never went public join his party.
Niccolo Machiavelli said this about elections: "Each candidate behaved well in the hope of being judged worthy of election. However, this system was disastrous when the city had become corrupt. For then it was not the most virtuous but the most powerful who stood for elections, and the weak, even if virtuous, were too frightened to run for office."
E-mail: hgauhar@nation.com.pk
The Conspiracy Theory
The USA wanted bases to carry out surgical strikes in the future.
So?
Unless it is your contention that the US government was behind 9/11 and bin laden was a CIA agent who conveniently picked afghanistan to hide, it means nothing.
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 12:04 pm
#76 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 11:52:03 amThe USA wanted bases to carry out surgical strikes in the future.
So?
Unless it is your contention that the US government was behind 9/11 and bin laden was a CIA agent who conveniently picked afghanistan to hide, it means nothing.
The Conspiracy Theory
Masadi..if the CIA did indeed bump off zia, why couldn't it bump off Castro and Chavez(or saddam before the iraq war)...
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 11:59 am
#28 Posted by masadi on December 9, 2007 5:35:30 amMasadi..if the CIA did indeed bump off zia, why couldn't it bump off Castro and Chavez(or saddam before the iraq war)...
The Conspiracy Theory
Like it made use of 9/11 to occupy Afghanistan......a great strategic attack
yeah..I wonder why they occupied afghanistan after 9/11 instead of Kazakhstan. It wasn't like the 9/11 planners were hiding in afghanistan or anything like that..
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 11:47 am
#17 Posted by pavocavalry on December 9, 2007 2:08:45 amLike it made use of 9/11 to occupy Afghanistan......a great strategic attack
yeah..I wonder why they occupied afghanistan after 9/11 instead of Kazakhstan. It wasn't like the 9/11 planners were hiding in afghanistan or anything like that..
Punish Rioters, Not Writers
The courts are so backed up even the gods won't have to show up for a hearing for 10-15 years.
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 9, 2007 08:46 am
#10 Posted by Regard on December 8, 2007 3:06:46 amThe courts are so backed up even the gods won't have to show up for a hearing for 10-15 years.
6th December 1992
historical wrongs can not be righted
that applies equally to the chaddis going nuts for a mythological figure and muslims rioting after the babri masjid was destroyed...
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 8, 2007 04:37 pm
#32 Posted by dost_mittar on December 8, 2007 2:53:28 amhistorical wrongs can not be righted
that applies equally to the chaddis going nuts for a mythological figure and muslims rioting after the babri masjid was destroyed...
And Now, The Charter of Demands—The Comedy Continues!
The Third president of the United States, Thomas Jefferson, who was himself (yani K, baqallum-khud) the author of the Bill of Rights,
where do you pakis get your history from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
TJ wrote the declaration of independence.
seriously... where do you pull this stuff out of? the nuggets section of the friday times?
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 6, 2007 11:09 am
#82 Posted by SR on December 6, 2007 10:39:22 amThe Third president of the United States, Thomas Jefferson, who was himself (yani K, baqallum-khud) the author of the Bill of Rights,
where do you pakis get your history from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
TJ wrote the declaration of independence.
seriously... where do you pull this stuff out of? the nuggets section of the friday times?
6th December 1992
With the phrase 'founded on piety' above the scholars of Qur'anic exegesis and Islamic jurisprudence enjoin that a Masjid can not be built on illegitimately owned land.
legitimate as defined by....?
Mumbai bomb blasts in 1992-93
bomb blasts by muslims are a symbol of chaddi-fascism?
the whole frikking place should be razed and a mall should be built over it..then hindus and muslims alike can be idiots and pay 80 rs for a cup of coffee...better than being idiots and praying to imaginary gods/prophets..
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 6, 2007 10:24 am
With the phrase 'founded on piety' above the scholars of Qur'anic exegesis and Islamic jurisprudence enjoin that a Masjid can not be built on illegitimately owned land.
legitimate as defined by....?
Mumbai bomb blasts in 1992-93
bomb blasts by muslims are a symbol of chaddi-fascism?
the whole frikking place should be razed and a mall should be built over it..then hindus and muslims alike can be idiots and pay 80 rs for a cup of coffee...better than being idiots and praying to imaginary gods/prophets..
And Now, The Charter of Demands—The Comedy Continues!
Why? Once again the answer lies in multinational corporations who support and supply to the Pakistan Army.
The MNCs gave you money to dance in the streets when a democratically elected government, however bad, was overthrown?
Did you have to wear their t-shirt.."Coke coup support party!! refreshing change in government"?
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 6, 2007 03:23 am
#46 Posted by SaimaShah on December 5, 2007 9:41:44 amWhy? Once again the answer lies in multinational corporations who support and supply to the Pakistan Army.
The MNCs gave you money to dance in the streets when a democratically elected government, however bad, was overthrown?
Did you have to wear their t-shirt.."Coke coup support party!! refreshing change in government"?
An Insight Into Pakistan Army and Musharraf
India and northern alliance are alleged to work togather.
India, Russia, the US and Iran all backed the NA..the NA that was fighting the taliban that pureland supported. And I remember how, before 9/11, there was hardly a purelander who spoke out against the talipakis or pureland's support for them. In fact, most letters written to newspapers by purelanders were along the lines of "the world should recognize them because they are in control of afghanistan".
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 5, 2007 03:02 am
#139 Posted by ijaz_gul on December 5, 2007 12:35:34 amIndia and northern alliance are alleged to work togather.
India, Russia, the US and Iran all backed the NA..the NA that was fighting the taliban that pureland supported. And I remember how, before 9/11, there was hardly a purelander who spoke out against the talipakis or pureland's support for them. In fact, most letters written to newspapers by purelanders were along the lines of "the world should recognize them because they are in control of afghanistan".
An Insight Into Pakistan Army and Musharraf
we gave each other the traditional pakistani bear hug....i felt something on th side of their hips
some of us have worn "hip" holsters..some of us have experiences with bear hugs too..
what i want to know is how you can feel a bulge in the hip area in a bear hug..are you sure it was a bear hug and not a fabulous bear hug(not that there's anything wrong with that).
Posted by
arjun8
Dec 4, 2007 11:54 pm
#25 Posted by bulleya on December 1, 2007 9:04:22 amwe gave each other the traditional pakistani bear hug....i felt something on th side of their hips
some of us have worn "hip" holsters..some of us have experiences with bear hugs too..
what i want to know is how you can feel a bulge in the hip area in a bear hug..are you sure it was a bear hug and not a fabulous bear hug(not that there's anything wrong with that).
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