Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 378
DM...
Brahmins are again divided in several categories. Majority of the priests, cooks in the temples etc... are definitely "low life" like Sudras. Shashtris and other branch of brahmins excelled in various fields due to their discipline and culture. In student hostels (and some roadside hotels in and around Calcutta), the chief cook used to be brahmins...
Couple of concepts are definitely excellent
4 Stages of life, Gothra system to trace family lineage etc...
Some of the problems..."the society should have been little more female oriented" ( like the tribals in north east)...

Muslim Ghettoisation Regarding Urdooo...
Urdooo is not fit for civilised humans, specifically Indians. Most of the Indian languages are rich with various types of literatures drama,poetry, novels etc...and phoneticaly well balanced....

To DM, BJ and other cow belt people...
If possible,collect the english translation of a Bengali writer called Parasuram (Rajsekhar Basu). In one of the essays, he had explained the challenge Indians face, while formulating language policy, post 1947....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajsekhar_Bose


Like "Politics is last ...of devils", Islam is last....of ras****....(that may not true for their descendants)...So, this Iqbal etc.....

Muslim Ghettoisation #385 Contd...
"...boston brahmin is just and adjective"
The adjective is used to imply that "people were good in arts, literature, science, education and various cultural activities" like Brahmins.

Like islmaic pilgrimage to Mecca is biggest of all pilgrimages (and biggest stupidity). So, Mecca is used as adjective....

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 377
Shah...

Your reference to Mogul is correct.
But that is out of misconception. Like Swastika is treated in Europe or Carly's "bhasan" on contribution from moslems. These are resultant of shallow level thought process.
Most of the British people, who came to India were "low life"s (Hari's term) in their native country. Couple of intellectuals, who explored India in depth (like William Jones), used to express altogether different opinion about India. You have to reach that level (from Carly to Einstein)....
Anyhow, same prescription like DM, Tahmed...
Will and Ariel Durant's "The Story of Civilisation"....

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 346
Tahmed...

Brahmins or Indians never claimed invention of paper making, ceramics, silk extraction etc...Chinks and Japs were experts in these areas. Indians learned a lot of stuff from Chinese people and vice versa...

Brahmins have contributed enough in their areas (they need not involve everywhere)....

No ranting panting...
In your leasure time, please read the volumes of "The Story of Civilisation" by Will and Ariel Durant....Some useful information....

DM...
Coming to Nazrul etc...
Post Tagore, Nazrul was one of the prominent poets ( Sukanta, Jibananda etc...). It does not make him 2nd to Tagore in terms of literary contribution or qualitative qork. Post partition initiative (1905), to encourage moslems in mainline Bengali culture, Nazrul is highlighted more than he deservs. His work is not part of any unversity curriculla. His poems are good upto school level.

You are missing the context...

What Indian have learned from the arrival of islamic invaders (they were not settlers)?
Post islamic invastion, qualitative degenration, specialy in North India (including some parts of Pakistan) in traditional Indian areas of expertise is quite evident, if you compare works of the Boudhayana and other mathematicians with later day people, Kalidasa,Vishnu Gupta and others in literature....

To simplify the matter...
USA is still the leader in high end computing (IBM and CREY specially). After some political event, if they fails to create similar product or fails to progress in this field, what will be your area of investigation for decline?

Like Tahmed, I will request you to read Will Durant or writings of Vivekananda...Your perspecitive will definitely change....

Muslim Ghettoisation DM...
Little more...
Chanakya was professor of political science and economics at University of Taxila. He have authored book. He was more like PMs advisory board member/planning commission member than politician....

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 330
Aslam...
It was Carly's level to reach upto middle east. But dig little deep through the likes of Niels Bohr, Albert Einstein, Nicola Tesla etc...the source shifts to the original place, India.

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 329
DM...
Are you from cow belt (UP, Bihar...)? Then it was expected from you....
What is good about this urdooo, kawali etc...? Is there anything special, which makes qualitative difference.
Some people also mention Mumbai urdoo movies as cultural contribution....
I am talking about quality contribution....
Please don't start comparing Sir J C Bose with APJ Abdul Kalam...

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 328
DM...
Chanakya was advisor to the monarch. He was political scientist/strategist not politician...I hope you understand the difference...

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 326
Tahmed...
I have provided statistics and data....

Some section of people excell in some work....
Russians and eastern european people used to dominate in field of chess and mathematics.

To excell in life you need personal and social discipline. Islam is based on dogma,faith etc. which does not allow civilisation to grow. It was common in mediaval period (dogma and faith based society) and so mediaval is termed "dark age".
In one of the posts, I have referred Will Durant's
"The Story of Civilisation". Nice books; will provide you insight how nomadic barbarians from central asia and middle east destroyed Indian culture and civilisation...
Caste system and other issues are discussed in length and breadth several times.(Source. How it evolved. How it had become irrelevant...)...
Please, come with facts....
When Chinese people claim there contribution in ceramics and pottery, nobody objects...

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 324
DM...
As per as priesthood is concerned, Brahmins are less evil than their counter parts in Islam and Christianity...
Church have dark history of inciting violence. Mosques and Madressahs are meant for it. I have not seen any temple priest ranting against anybody. Even during Islamic period or British period, Brahmins never tried to enter in political domain...

But their exclusionist attitude towards Shudras created the whole mess...

Yet Another Immigrant Story Re: # 57
Matloob...

What is BD then?

Secularism, if taken to the spirit of it's origination ( separation of Church with Civil administration), India was that for last 3000 years. Indian political parties distorted it to indulge in moslem appeasement, which have created a mess in India. Tombs etc. are redundant and as per Indian customs (body is created from five basic elements of nature, so let it be merged with it) are concerned. To please mediaval arab barbarism followers, Indians should not bend its.
Moslems talking about diversity and how to behave with other faith, is something stupidest ....

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 315
Tahmed...
Brahmins were small in number and not financialy better than other upper castes (Vaishya, Kashatriya). So, the theory of Brahmin oppression is not very valid.
Your place (society) of birth definitely shapes your future to large extent...

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 315
Tahmed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmin
Search for notable Brahmins and follow the link to get their contributions...

Large section of mathematics, which later urdoos/moslems claimed as their own....
Medical science,
Literature...

There is a term called "Boston Brahmin"...learn more about that then will know, why they are called so..

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 301
Shah....
So, this is honor killing to you....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
First couple of sentences are sufficient....

Muslim Ghettoisation Re: # 303
Okhla...

The Bengali Minister is Subhash Chakravarti (Sports and Youth). He has issued different statement. Your source may be wrong or you are moslem (liar and scoundrel).

Every Brahmin have reason to be proud of, for their collective achievements and discipline (the way handful of jews in post WWI dominating science, engineering, entertainment) of execution for more than 1000 years.
The way moslems carry very negative image in most part of the world (educationaly backward, trouble maker, scoundrels), Brahmins carry very positive image as per as education (that is their area or expertise) is concerned. Any top University in India, US or UK you will find couple of them occupying senior professor's post. Per capita graduation is also very high amongst Brahmins....