We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Posted by
nkg
Sep 26, 2008 01:07 am
Ignore the last sentence of 303...
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Partition of India is not problem for majority of Indians. Those who have migrated from West Punjab and Sindh, they are doing well in India. Not even the moslems.If Indians want to see moslems flee Pakistan, it can be done in any moment. Post Godhra incident (2002) has showed that.
Posted by
nkg
Sep 26, 2008 12:45 am
HP...Partition of India is not problem for majority of Indians. Those who have migrated from West Punjab and Sindh, they are doing well in India. Not even the moslems.If Indians want to see moslems flee Pakistan, it can be done in any moment. Post Godhra incident (2002) has showed that.
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
"...There is nothing on record which says that Kashmiri Muslims oppose KPs rehab in Kashmir...."
If they were so good, why the need for killing KPs and force them to flee. Do you know the status of properties owned by KPs? It is in the hands of moslems and jihadi leaders....
Apart from some part of Ummah nobody is supporting Kashmiri moslems. Pakistan tried military actions, OIC, deplomatic channel etc... and even former British MP Robin Cook have tried a lot. You know the result...If IA kills Kasmiri moslems en-mass (planned genocide), nobody is going to prevent it (KPS Gill style). That would have been best solution for India....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 26, 2008 12:38 am
Re: # 295"...There is nothing on record which says that Kashmiri Muslims oppose KPs rehab in Kashmir...."
If they were so good, why the need for killing KPs and force them to flee. Do you know the status of properties owned by KPs? It is in the hands of moslems and jihadi leaders....
Apart from some part of Ummah nobody is supporting Kashmiri moslems. Pakistan tried military actions, OIC, deplomatic channel etc... and even former British MP Robin Cook have tried a lot. You know the result...If IA kills Kasmiri moslems en-mass (planned genocide), nobody is going to prevent it (KPS Gill style). That would have been best solution for India....
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
HP...
What truthful answer you want?
Indian armed forces were depolyed in the border after the fallout of 1948. The deployment was little more than normal. But that was reasonable, at least, after the tribal invastion. Kashmiri beduine followers were enjoying more right than any other citizen of India ( and definitely Pakistan). They have the legal sanction of establishing business in any part of India, but rest of India still is not allowed to settle in Kashmir.... Then Jihadi uprising in the valley, which killed 1000s and displaced almost entire population of Pundits. In such circumstance, what Indian armed forces will do? Ask any person, who is neither Pakistani or Indian. You will get the right answer.
Regarding Kasmiri moslem casualty, how many of the Kashmiri beduine worshippers died in encounter before the jihad (198x) and how many after the jihad? If the so called civilians take up gun and explosives, don't you expect them to be target of Indian Army and police? You start something, and when the other side pay back with bigger amount, you should not crib.....
Now, when the jihadi/moslem casualty figure is very high, Kashmiri moslems are talking about peaceful movement. You need to whip the dog to make it behave....Indian army is doing just that.....
Why is ISI blamed for Indian Embassy Blast in Kabul by US intelligence agencies?...
Can you deny the fact that people accross europe and USA views Pakistan as problem and is not doing enough to make "world a safe place"?
Posted by
nkg
Sep 26, 2008 12:25 am
Re: # 288HP...
What truthful answer you want?
Indian armed forces were depolyed in the border after the fallout of 1948. The deployment was little more than normal. But that was reasonable, at least, after the tribal invastion. Kashmiri beduine followers were enjoying more right than any other citizen of India ( and definitely Pakistan). They have the legal sanction of establishing business in any part of India, but rest of India still is not allowed to settle in Kashmir.... Then Jihadi uprising in the valley, which killed 1000s and displaced almost entire population of Pundits. In such circumstance, what Indian armed forces will do? Ask any person, who is neither Pakistani or Indian. You will get the right answer.
Regarding Kasmiri moslem casualty, how many of the Kashmiri beduine worshippers died in encounter before the jihad (198x) and how many after the jihad? If the so called civilians take up gun and explosives, don't you expect them to be target of Indian Army and police? You start something, and when the other side pay back with bigger amount, you should not crib.....
Now, when the jihadi/moslem casualty figure is very high, Kashmiri moslems are talking about peaceful movement. You need to whip the dog to make it behave....Indian army is doing just that.....
Why is ISI blamed for Indian Embassy Blast in Kabul by US intelligence agencies?...
Can you deny the fact that people accross europe and USA views Pakistan as problem and is not doing enough to make "world a safe place"?
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
A K Cheema...
If it would not have been these Allahoooooooooo Kabooms accross India and terrorist training camps in Pakistan, Indians would not have bothered about it....It is the nuicense creating tendency of Pakiland, that bothers Indians. Any developmet in Pakistan effects India in much greater intensity than any other country....A decent Pakistan can help India concentrating on China (most of the Indian defence programs are directed against China)....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 10:25 pm
Re: # 280A K Cheema...
If it would not have been these Allahoooooooooo Kabooms accross India and terrorist training camps in Pakistan, Indians would not have bothered about it....It is the nuicense creating tendency of Pakiland, that bothers Indians. Any developmet in Pakistan effects India in much greater intensity than any other country....A decent Pakistan can help India concentrating on China (most of the Indian defence programs are directed against China)....
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
clifton...
"..You seem to claim that since there were no refugees to pakistan then there were no crimes committed in gujrat...
"
That is not the point. Bringing Gujrat from people, who forced almost population to migrate to neighbouring country is something very rediculous...It is like kettle....
Jihadi barbarism is very serious issue everywhere. Gujrati people backing Modi or after 9/11, US people backing Bush is something in reaction to prolonged islamic barbarism. Though, I personaly don't support this, but then people tolerate it for some time and when it goes beyond limit of tolerance of average people, matters take serious turn and all these special sceurity law, complete social isolation etc...
Equating that with jihadi ideology prevalent in Pakistan is something over simplification....
A almost national concensus on committing crime and a national concesus on resisting crime is something different....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 10:14 pm
Re: # 187clifton...
"..You seem to claim that since there were no refugees to pakistan then there were no crimes committed in gujrat...
"
That is not the point. Bringing Gujrat from people, who forced almost population to migrate to neighbouring country is something very rediculous...It is like kettle....
Jihadi barbarism is very serious issue everywhere. Gujrati people backing Modi or after 9/11, US people backing Bush is something in reaction to prolonged islamic barbarism. Though, I personaly don't support this, but then people tolerate it for some time and when it goes beyond limit of tolerance of average people, matters take serious turn and all these special sceurity law, complete social isolation etc...
Equating that with jihadi ideology prevalent in Pakistan is something over simplification....
A almost national concensus on committing crime and a national concesus on resisting crime is something different....
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
hamidm2...
Pakistan is global concern now...ISAF is stationed in Western border of Pakiland, solely to monitor Pakiland ...any action semi human (almost un developed hind brain compared to normal humans), arab slaves in this region takes is subject to global scrutiny. Furthermore, India bears the brunt of islamisation/arabisation of this region. 1971 events created enough economic burden to India....we don't want see that repeat again....
Anyhow Taxi drivers don't think. That human process is left for civilised humans....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 09:32 pm
Re: # 275hamidm2...
Pakistan is global concern now...ISAF is stationed in Western border of Pakiland, solely to monitor Pakiland ...any action semi human (almost un developed hind brain compared to normal humans), arab slaves in this region takes is subject to global scrutiny. Furthermore, India bears the brunt of islamisation/arabisation of this region. 1971 events created enough economic burden to India....we don't want see that repeat again....
Anyhow Taxi drivers don't think. That human process is left for civilised humans....
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
clifton....
Hold on...You don't need to hover around the world ( Hiroshima, IRA...)...your jihadi policy against India was supported by majority of the people of Pakistan. And that for no reason... If India would have been suppressive towards moslems, then that could have been brought to book by human rights commissions etc...nobody has any such issue. So far, Babri demolition and couple of riots you can raise at most. But situation is not such that people are forced to leave country or the country's law is against moslems (Gujart is neighbouring state of Pakistan. In spite of Modi's 2002 carnage, how many moslems have taken shelter in Pakistan? Not a single one. On the contrary, entire sindhi community migrated from Pakistan. Now it is 1.2% in Sindh itself. So, please avoid bringing Modi issue...)
Now, in the ground that, Kashmir has moslem majority population, does that imply, it should be made part of Pakistan? Kashmiris were electing their Govt.... What civil rights Kashmiri moslems were lacking, that they were getting in Pakistani part?
After loosing consecutive battles and failed to get favourable mandate in UN, Pakistan waged first jihad after 1948 against Pundits. It killed 1000s of Pundits and uprooted entire community. And you are talking about civilian casualty, now!!!!!
Indians never advocated to create such organisation like JeM within Pundits and blow up sh** in moslem majority areas Kashmir. Neither Indians supported LTTE (Tamils).....
So, here is the difference....
If you know, whatever may be your logic, Pakis supported jihadis. Why do you people deny that in public forums. Rather try to project them as "few misguided nuts, in the name of Islam....."......
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 07:47 am
Re: # 183clifton....
Hold on...You don't need to hover around the world ( Hiroshima, IRA...)...your jihadi policy against India was supported by majority of the people of Pakistan. And that for no reason... If India would have been suppressive towards moslems, then that could have been brought to book by human rights commissions etc...nobody has any such issue. So far, Babri demolition and couple of riots you can raise at most. But situation is not such that people are forced to leave country or the country's law is against moslems (Gujart is neighbouring state of Pakistan. In spite of Modi's 2002 carnage, how many moslems have taken shelter in Pakistan? Not a single one. On the contrary, entire sindhi community migrated from Pakistan. Now it is 1.2% in Sindh itself. So, please avoid bringing Modi issue...)
Now, in the ground that, Kashmir has moslem majority population, does that imply, it should be made part of Pakistan? Kashmiris were electing their Govt.... What civil rights Kashmiri moslems were lacking, that they were getting in Pakistani part?
After loosing consecutive battles and failed to get favourable mandate in UN, Pakistan waged first jihad after 1948 against Pundits. It killed 1000s of Pundits and uprooted entire community. And you are talking about civilian casualty, now!!!!!
Indians never advocated to create such organisation like JeM within Pundits and blow up sh** in moslem majority areas Kashmir. Neither Indians supported LTTE (Tamils).....
So, here is the difference....
If you know, whatever may be your logic, Pakis supported jihadis. Why do you people deny that in public forums. Rather try to project them as "few misguided nuts, in the name of Islam....."......
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Chalta...
"...The animals blowing up shit in India, afghanistan, london, US etc. Etc. have been supported by these institutions in Pakistan. Let's not forget the unwashed and washed chanda box lovers....."
I really feel very strange...for whom these fools (Pakis and Indian arab slaves) are acting like that? For that mediaval arab beduine, who cooked up stories about moon God and his messanger? If so, why? What this arab beduinism has given to these people? May be when central asian looters were in ruling, some relief from extortion money (jijya).... Now it is an identity of shame at most...why they will carry the baggage of mediaval arab beduinism, when they have better option? An arab has no other option other than that. But for these people, whose ancestors,1000 years back, were quite civilised, behave like this crazy dog?...Entire world points finger to them and even put guard in the border to whip them for the barbaric act of arab beduinism.....But then again you can not ask for explanation for everything....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 07:19 am
Re: # 181Chalta...
"...The animals blowing up shit in India, afghanistan, london, US etc. Etc. have been supported by these institutions in Pakistan. Let's not forget the unwashed and washed chanda box lovers....."
I really feel very strange...for whom these fools (Pakis and Indian arab slaves) are acting like that? For that mediaval arab beduine, who cooked up stories about moon God and his messanger? If so, why? What this arab beduinism has given to these people? May be when central asian looters were in ruling, some relief from extortion money (jijya).... Now it is an identity of shame at most...why they will carry the baggage of mediaval arab beduinism, when they have better option? An arab has no other option other than that. But for these people, whose ancestors,1000 years back, were quite civilised, behave like this crazy dog?...Entire world points finger to them and even put guard in the border to whip them for the barbaric act of arab beduinism.....But then again you can not ask for explanation for everything....
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Naqsa...
Pakistan had started war 4 times (48,65,71,98) and you know the consequences. Political turmoil after each war. Prime minister sent to exile (NS), Prime minister hanged to death (JAB)...May be Kiyani will be hanged to death after war ends with heavy casualty in Pakistani Armed Forces or some other drama...Already ISAF is fu**ing your nation from West. Why you want the same stuff from East? I know couple of Pranayams and Yoga Asans, which helps people control negative emotions. My good advice is for you guys to practice these stuffs...Earlier USA used to protect Pakistan (1971/1965/1998). Now, don't expect any such act from US end if Pakistan initiates war....
Anyhow, if the oil price slides bellow 70US$/bbl, India will not spare home grown jihadis, let alone Paki ones....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 06:48 am
Re: # 250Naqsa...
Pakistan had started war 4 times (48,65,71,98) and you know the consequences. Political turmoil after each war. Prime minister sent to exile (NS), Prime minister hanged to death (JAB)...May be Kiyani will be hanged to death after war ends with heavy casualty in Pakistani Armed Forces or some other drama...Already ISAF is fu**ing your nation from West. Why you want the same stuff from East? I know couple of Pranayams and Yoga Asans, which helps people control negative emotions. My good advice is for you guys to practice these stuffs...Earlier USA used to protect Pakistan (1971/1965/1998). Now, don't expect any such act from US end if Pakistan initiates war....
Anyhow, if the oil price slides bellow 70US$/bbl, India will not spare home grown jihadis, let alone Paki ones....
Hotel Babylon: The Marriot Hotel Explosion
IAF has warmed up in Red Flag excersize in Nevada....
Let them get some opportunity....
How many kicks you (Pakiland) need to say it as end...I know arab beduinism is full in your blood for centuries...it is very difficult to make you bipeds think civilised/human way....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 06:39 am
#256 contd...IAF has warmed up in Red Flag excersize in Nevada....
Let them get some opportunity....
How many kicks you (Pakiland) need to say it as end...I know arab beduinism is full in your blood for centuries...it is very difficult to make you bipeds think civilised/human way....
Hotel Babylon: The Marriot Hotel Explosion
hamidm2...
Last time Bill clinton saved Pakiland from Mig-29s. Now, IAF is armed with Su30MKIs, Brahmos and Tu229Ms...I don't think G W Bush will save this time...
Wish you good luck...
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 06:31 am
Re: # 248hamidm2...
Last time Bill clinton saved Pakiland from Mig-29s. Now, IAF is armed with Su30MKIs, Brahmos and Tu229Ms...I don't think G W Bush will save this time...
Wish you good luck...
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Majumder...
It is not related to Baramulla or jihadi etc... The plot is similar....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 04:50 am
Re: # 177Majumder...
It is not related to Baramulla or jihadi etc... The plot is similar....
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Arjun...
If somebody links illiteracy and poverty with barbarism and violence, I will not accept it.I have seen high level of illiteracy and poverty. Poor and illiterates are generaly very tolerant and civilised (no escape route from law and for social status). The problem is with the islamic value system and the bad example set by their prophet. If you treat a street robber/gangster as ideal action and tell your son to emulate his actions, how will you expect him to be good....
A bad example in Indian context ( such that arab slaves can cheer...).
I have seen so many street "sanyasis" smoking "ganja". Police do not treat them as anti-socials/criminals. They can be easily booked under narcotics law. Because they are devotees of lord Shiva and wearing "gairik" robe, they are forgiven...
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 04:08 am
Re: # 174Arjun...
If somebody links illiteracy and poverty with barbarism and violence, I will not accept it.I have seen high level of illiteracy and poverty. Poor and illiterates are generaly very tolerant and civilised (no escape route from law and for social status). The problem is with the islamic value system and the bad example set by their prophet. If you treat a street robber/gangster as ideal action and tell your son to emulate his actions, how will you expect him to be good....
A bad example in Indian context ( such that arab slaves can cheer...).
I have seen so many street "sanyasis" smoking "ganja". Police do not treat them as anti-socials/criminals. They can be easily booked under narcotics law. Because they are devotees of lord Shiva and wearing "gairik" robe, they are forgiven...
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Majumder, it reminds me bengali cinema "Sister" ( Uttam Kumar, Supriya and Utpal Dutta)....
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 03:51 am
#173 contd..Majumder, it reminds me bengali cinema "Sister" ( Uttam Kumar, Supriya and Utpal Dutta)....
We Have Met the Enemy and the Enemy is Us!
Majumder...
"The Baramulla episode- The tribals after reaching Baramulla fell prey to their own carnal desires and spent a day enjoying the company of good looking Kashmiri girls and boys (often against their desires). They had an espeically notorious episode in St. Josephs Convent in Baramulla. And they missed getting Srinagar airport by a few hours. Had they not wasted time in Baramulla they would have captured the airport and finished off the Indian campaign in J&K. Later, they cud have gone back to enjoy the Kashmir scene...."
Pakistan have not agreed for plebisite initialy, knowing fully that, it will go against Pakistan...
Posted by
nkg
Sep 25, 2008 12:13 am
Re: # 159Majumder...
"The Baramulla episode- The tribals after reaching Baramulla fell prey to their own carnal desires and spent a day enjoying the company of good looking Kashmiri girls and boys (often against their desires). They had an espeically notorious episode in St. Josephs Convent in Baramulla. And they missed getting Srinagar airport by a few hours. Had they not wasted time in Baramulla they would have captured the airport and finished off the Indian campaign in J&K. Later, they cud have gone back to enjoy the Kashmir scene...."
Pakistan have not agreed for plebisite initialy, knowing fully that, it will go against Pakistan...
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