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do you mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR that Muslim League wasn't involved in violence.
please explain to us?
Please give us plain and short answer. in your post you can write whatever you make up later
SHORT AN DBRIEF ONE SENTENCE ANSWER WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 25, 2008 08:06 pm
Mr Hamdani do you mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR that Muslim League wasn't involved in violence.
please explain to us?
Please give us plain and short answer. in your post you can write whatever you make up later
SHORT AN DBRIEF ONE SENTENCE ANSWER WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
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"Manto my friend, I am disappointed in you, of all the people on this website, YOU should be the last person to quote anything from Zeemax as credible!"
Its called "doobtay ko tinkay ka sahara." haha
no one believes him so whatever support he finds he exaggerates it. poor Hamdani :(
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 25, 2008 05:57 pm
Adam khan"Manto my friend, I am disappointed in you, of all the people on this website, YOU should be the last person to quote anything from Zeemax as credible!"
Its called "doobtay ko tinkay ka sahara." haha
no one believes him so whatever support he finds he exaggerates it. poor Hamdani :(
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do you mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR that Muslim League wasn't involved in violence.
please explain to us?
Please give us plain and short answer. in your post you can write whatever you make up later.
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 25, 2008 05:51 pm
Mr Hamdani do you mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR that Muslim League wasn't involved in violence.
please explain to us?
Please give us plain and short answer. in your post you can write whatever you make up later.
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do you mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR that Muslim League wasn't involved in violence.
please explain to us?
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 25, 2008 10:07 am
Mr Hamdani Please give us plain and short answer. in your post you can write whatever you make up later. do you mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR that Muslim League wasn't involved in violence.
please explain to us?
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Hi
I have not read all the posts here yet I just saw one it was from Hamdani. he accused me of adding words to Wolperts text. so if you guys really want to know who is lying. Just check the book
SHAMEFUL FLIGHT: The Last Years of the British Empire in India
STANLEY WOLPERT
From page 118 to 148
you can find this book in libraries and I hope it is available onlime too. read the text and find how Hamdani is lying. he keeps sending me mails in which he is abusing Badhash Khan. I would consider it when someone start to lose he starts to swear at everyone.
especially check these parts
He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead.
PAGE 118
Jinnah, who had devoted his life to the law and never before lost faith in British justice, had now suddenly turned his League into a lethal weapon of direct actionâ
page 119
I AM NOT SURE WHAT HIS POINT IS. does he mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR he thinks Muslim League didn't do it. Hamdani can you please explain to us.
ONE MORE THING
he asked me to learn english first then talk to him. I don't know how to learn english in this short time. but I assure Hamdani that I will try to take english classes.
thanks
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 25, 2008 09:02 am
there wer soem mistake sin my post here is it againHi
I have not read all the posts here yet I just saw one it was from Hamdani. he accused me of adding words to Wolperts text. so if you guys really want to know who is lying. Just check the book
SHAMEFUL FLIGHT: The Last Years of the British Empire in India
STANLEY WOLPERT
From page 118 to 148
you can find this book in libraries and I hope it is available onlime too. read the text and find how Hamdani is lying. he keeps sending me mails in which he is abusing Badhash Khan. I would consider it when someone start to lose he starts to swear at everyone.
especially check these parts
He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead.
PAGE 118
Jinnah, who had devoted his life to the law and never before lost faith in British justice, had now suddenly turned his League into a lethal weapon of direct actionâ
page 119
I AM NOT SURE WHAT HIS POINT IS. does he mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it OR he thinks Muslim League didn't do it. Hamdani can you please explain to us.
ONE MORE THING
he asked me to learn english first then talk to him. I don't know how to learn english in this short time. but I assure Hamdani that I will try to take english classes.
thanks
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I have not read all the posts here yet I just saw one it was from Hamdani. he accused me of adding words to Wolperts text. so if you guys really want to know who is lying. Just check the book
SHAMEFUL FLIGHT: The Last Years of the British Empire in India
STANLEY WOLPERT
From page 118 to 148
you can find this book in libraries and I hope it is available onlime too. read the text and find how Hamdani is lying. he keeps sending me mails in which he is abusing Badhash Khan. I would consider it when someone start to lose he starts to swear at everyone.
especially check these parts
He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead.
PAGE 118
Jinnah, who had devoted his life to the law and never before lost faith in British justice, had now suddenly turned his League into a lethal weapon of direct actionâ
page 119
I AM NOT SURE WHAT HIS POINT IS. does he mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it he thinks Muslim League didn't do it. Hamdani can you please explain to us.
ONE MORE THINGS
he asked me to learn english first then talk to him. I don't know how to learn english in this short time. but I assure Hamdani that I will try to take english classes.
thanks
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 25, 2008 08:13 am
HiI have not read all the posts here yet I just saw one it was from Hamdani. he accused me of adding words to Wolperts text. so if you guys really want to know who is lying. Just check the book
SHAMEFUL FLIGHT: The Last Years of the British Empire in India
STANLEY WOLPERT
From page 118 to 148
you can find this book in libraries and I hope it is available onlime too. read the text and find how Hamdani is lying. he keeps sending me mails in which he is abusing Badhash Khan. I would consider it when someone start to lose he starts to swear at everyone.
especially check these parts
He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead.
PAGE 118
Jinnah, who had devoted his life to the law and never before lost faith in British justice, had now suddenly turned his League into a lethal weapon of direct actionâ
page 119
I AM NOT SURE WHAT HIS POINT IS. does he mean that Jinnah didn't ask Muslim League to do it he thinks Muslim League didn't do it. Hamdani can you please explain to us.
ONE MORE THINGS
he asked me to learn english first then talk to him. I don't know how to learn english in this short time. but I assure Hamdani that I will try to take english classes.
thanks
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STANLEY WOLPERT
Extracts From page 118 to 148
REGARDING DIRECT ACTION HOW JINNAH STARTED VIOLENCE
the "Congress have made it clear that they do not accept any of the terms or the fundamentals of the Scheme (cabinet Mission) but that they have agreed only to go into the Constituent Assembly .... This fact, taken together with the policy of the British Government of sacrificing the inter¬ests of the Muslim Nation ... leaves no doubt that ... participation of the Muslims in the proposed constitution-making machinery is fraught with danger." So the League resolved that "Whereas the Congress is bent upon setting up Caste-Hindu Raj in India with the connivance of the British ... the time has come for the Muslim Nation to resort to Direct Action to achieve Pakistan." This "Direct Action" resolution was Jinnah's angry re¬sponse to Nehru's "treachery" and the cabinet delegation's "betrayal" of his Muslim League. He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead.
He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead. (CHECK THIS “ACTION” IS IN INVERTED COMMAS)
PAGE 118
…Jinnah, who had devoted his life to the law and never before lost faith in British justice, had now suddenly turned his League into a lethal weapon of direct action…
PAGE 119
POLICE WAS GIVEN HOLIDAY ON THAT DAY
Wavell met with his governors of Bengal, Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, Sind, and the North-West Frontier Province. Governor Sir Frederick Burrows of Bengal then informed the viceroy that Muslim League Prime Minister H. S. Suhrawardy had "asked" for a public holiday on August 16 "to avoid trouble on that day," and he had approved that request. Thus all of Bengal's police were given a holiday on what became Calcutta's dark¬est day of mass murder and arson.
all hell broke loose in Calcutta's "Great Killing," while Bengal's police enjoyed their holiday, and British troops and armored Dragoon tanks remained useless, locked inside their barracks.
FIRST MUSLIMS, THEN RETALIATING HINDUS
For three days and nights, British India's former capital, still its most populous city, became a free killing field for thugs and thieves, first Mus¬lims, then retaliating Hindus, murdering, plundering, butchering whatever attracted their eyes. Thousands of dead bodies were hauled off Calcutta's blood-stained streets by martial patrols, only belatedly brought into action by the stink of decaying flesh. "It was unbridled savagery and homicidal maniacs let loose to kill and ... main and burn," reported General Francis Tuker, who finally ordered out his British troops and tanks to put an end to the butchery (PAGE 120)
SUHRAWARDY’S GOLDEN WORDS
In early September, Nehru told Wavell that Suhrawardy had just in¬formed the press that if Bengal's Muslims took to the "war path" there would "not be a single Hindu left alive in eastern Bengal." Wavell met with politically shrewd Suhrawardy to ask if he had made that statement, and stood behind it. Suhrawardy was not afraid to admit the "truth," (PAGE 122)
MUSLIM LEAGUE’S VIOLENCE IN BOMBAY
In Bombay, from late August to October, when Sir Andrew Clow be¬came acting governor, 329 people had been murdered and 983 injured in communal "stabbings and bouts of stone-throwing."56 Clow was also disturbed by the economic "attack" aimed at the Muslim community. Hindu owners were forcing many Muslim mill hands to leave their jobs in Bombay and Ahmedabad. "Muslims are by now tired of the trouble and probably sorry they started it.
"Muslims are by now tired of the trouble and probably sorry they started it. PAGE 123
HINDUS WERE FORCIBLY CONVERTED TO ISLAM
… reports of rape and conversions to Islam in East Bengal's Noakhali Dis¬trict induced Mahatma Gandhi to leave his ashram and undertake his last and most arduous foot-pilgrimage of peace, walking from one burned out and torture-filled village to the next, seeking through his faith in Ahimsa to counter violent terror with the healing powers of love.
PAG 123
MUSLIM LEAGUE VIOLENCE IN PUNJAB
In mid-March, Jenkins (Punjab’s Governor) replied to a wire from Pethick-Lawrence request¬ing casualty figures for Punjab, reporting that approximately 500 had been killed in Punjab's cities and towns, and 520 in rural areas, mostly non¬-Muslims. About 1,000 more people had been "seriously injured" in the recent Punjab riots.18 The next day, Jenkins visited Attock and Rawalpindi and found some 25,000 terrified non-Muslim refugees and another 35,000 refugee villagers. "Attacks on non-Muslims have been organized with ex¬treme savagery," he reported to Abell. "Deputy Commissioner Rawalpindi believes that in his district alone there may be 5,000 casualties including killed, injured and missing ... feeling between communities is very bad indeed." A few days after that, Punjab's Muslim League leader, Raja Ghazanfar Ali, came to see Jenkins to urge him to put a League ministry in power in Lahore. "I said I would resign sooner than see one [Muslim League ministry] in office at this juncture," Jenkins replied. "The massacre had been conducted in the name of the Muslim League, and senior Military Officers thought that it had been carefully planned and organised.
IT HAD BEEN CAREFULLY PLANNED AND ORGANISED.
PAGE 133
SECULAR JINNAH’S PARTY USING RELIGION
Punjab's Commanding General F. W. Messervy reported on those com¬munal riots to Field Marshal Auchinleck:
The Muslim League, though a political party, has been framing its main propaganda on religious lines .... Pakistan and Islam together provide an almost irresistible force on the minds of the mass of comparatively unedu¬cated Muslims. PAGE 134
MUSLIM LEAGUI VIOLENCE IN LAHORE
Punjab's Governor Jenkins reported that same May 21 (1947) from Lahore that "Muslims seem determined to burn Hindus and Sikhs out of greater Lahore and are concentrating on incendiarism.
PAGE 148
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Salman_0902
Mar 24, 2008 04:39 pm
SHAMEFUL FLIGHT: The Last Years of the British Empire in IndiaSTANLEY WOLPERT
Extracts From page 118 to 148
REGARDING DIRECT ACTION HOW JINNAH STARTED VIOLENCE
the "Congress have made it clear that they do not accept any of the terms or the fundamentals of the Scheme (cabinet Mission) but that they have agreed only to go into the Constituent Assembly .... This fact, taken together with the policy of the British Government of sacrificing the inter¬ests of the Muslim Nation ... leaves no doubt that ... participation of the Muslims in the proposed constitution-making machinery is fraught with danger." So the League resolved that "Whereas the Congress is bent upon setting up Caste-Hindu Raj in India with the connivance of the British ... the time has come for the Muslim Nation to resort to Direct Action to achieve Pakistan." This "Direct Action" resolution was Jinnah's angry re¬sponse to Nehru's "treachery" and the cabinet delegation's "betrayal" of his Muslim League. He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead.
He said "Goodbye to Constitutionalism and passive cooperation," and welcomed violent "Action" instead. (CHECK THIS “ACTION” IS IN INVERTED COMMAS)
PAGE 118
…Jinnah, who had devoted his life to the law and never before lost faith in British justice, had now suddenly turned his League into a lethal weapon of direct action…
PAGE 119
POLICE WAS GIVEN HOLIDAY ON THAT DAY
Wavell met with his governors of Bengal, Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, Sind, and the North-West Frontier Province. Governor Sir Frederick Burrows of Bengal then informed the viceroy that Muslim League Prime Minister H. S. Suhrawardy had "asked" for a public holiday on August 16 "to avoid trouble on that day," and he had approved that request. Thus all of Bengal's police were given a holiday on what became Calcutta's dark¬est day of mass murder and arson.
all hell broke loose in Calcutta's "Great Killing," while Bengal's police enjoyed their holiday, and British troops and armored Dragoon tanks remained useless, locked inside their barracks.
FIRST MUSLIMS, THEN RETALIATING HINDUS
For three days and nights, British India's former capital, still its most populous city, became a free killing field for thugs and thieves, first Mus¬lims, then retaliating Hindus, murdering, plundering, butchering whatever attracted their eyes. Thousands of dead bodies were hauled off Calcutta's blood-stained streets by martial patrols, only belatedly brought into action by the stink of decaying flesh. "It was unbridled savagery and homicidal maniacs let loose to kill and ... main and burn," reported General Francis Tuker, who finally ordered out his British troops and tanks to put an end to the butchery (PAGE 120)
SUHRAWARDY’S GOLDEN WORDS
In early September, Nehru told Wavell that Suhrawardy had just in¬formed the press that if Bengal's Muslims took to the "war path" there would "not be a single Hindu left alive in eastern Bengal." Wavell met with politically shrewd Suhrawardy to ask if he had made that statement, and stood behind it. Suhrawardy was not afraid to admit the "truth," (PAGE 122)
MUSLIM LEAGUE’S VIOLENCE IN BOMBAY
In Bombay, from late August to October, when Sir Andrew Clow be¬came acting governor, 329 people had been murdered and 983 injured in communal "stabbings and bouts of stone-throwing."56 Clow was also disturbed by the economic "attack" aimed at the Muslim community. Hindu owners were forcing many Muslim mill hands to leave their jobs in Bombay and Ahmedabad. "Muslims are by now tired of the trouble and probably sorry they started it.
"Muslims are by now tired of the trouble and probably sorry they started it. PAGE 123
HINDUS WERE FORCIBLY CONVERTED TO ISLAM
… reports of rape and conversions to Islam in East Bengal's Noakhali Dis¬trict induced Mahatma Gandhi to leave his ashram and undertake his last and most arduous foot-pilgrimage of peace, walking from one burned out and torture-filled village to the next, seeking through his faith in Ahimsa to counter violent terror with the healing powers of love.
PAG 123
MUSLIM LEAGUE VIOLENCE IN PUNJAB
In mid-March, Jenkins (Punjab’s Governor) replied to a wire from Pethick-Lawrence request¬ing casualty figures for Punjab, reporting that approximately 500 had been killed in Punjab's cities and towns, and 520 in rural areas, mostly non¬-Muslims. About 1,000 more people had been "seriously injured" in the recent Punjab riots.18 The next day, Jenkins visited Attock and Rawalpindi and found some 25,000 terrified non-Muslim refugees and another 35,000 refugee villagers. "Attacks on non-Muslims have been organized with ex¬treme savagery," he reported to Abell. "Deputy Commissioner Rawalpindi believes that in his district alone there may be 5,000 casualties including killed, injured and missing ... feeling between communities is very bad indeed." A few days after that, Punjab's Muslim League leader, Raja Ghazanfar Ali, came to see Jenkins to urge him to put a League ministry in power in Lahore. "I said I would resign sooner than see one [Muslim League ministry] in office at this juncture," Jenkins replied. "The massacre had been conducted in the name of the Muslim League, and senior Military Officers thought that it had been carefully planned and organised.
IT HAD BEEN CAREFULLY PLANNED AND ORGANISED.
PAGE 133
SECULAR JINNAH’S PARTY USING RELIGION
Punjab's Commanding General F. W. Messervy reported on those com¬munal riots to Field Marshal Auchinleck:
The Muslim League, though a political party, has been framing its main propaganda on religious lines .... Pakistan and Islam together provide an almost irresistible force on the minds of the mass of comparatively unedu¬cated Muslims. PAGE 134
MUSLIM LEAGUI VIOLENCE IN LAHORE
Punjab's Governor Jenkins reported that same May 21 (1947) from Lahore that "Muslims seem determined to burn Hindus and Sikhs out of greater Lahore and are concentrating on incendiarism.
PAGE 148
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Salman_0902
Mar 24, 2008 04:37 pm
i am home now here are the extracts from that book. I have other details about the same incidents and the journalists article who was there at that time and present during Mr Jinnah making statements.
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I AM HAVING FUN. THE WAY HAMDANI IS CHANGING HIS STANCE.. HE CANNOT OPENLY ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE. AT LEAST WHEN I KNOW I AM MISTAKEN AT A POINT I SHOULD ACCEPT IT.
LOOK AT HIS VIEWS
“I did write this article in good spirit whether you believe it or not.”
WHATS THE GOOD SPIRIT IN IT?
“So make no mistake about it: The portrayal of ANP's victory NWFP as a victory for secularism and democracy in that province is perhaps too optimistic an analysis given the history.”… to suggest that ANP has historically been consistently secular or democratic is not only naive but almost criminal when it comes to history..”
He calls the Khan family as crooks and opportunists, …”the world should know that Bacha Khan types are not the saint that people try to whitewash him as.”
Then he writes
“I also feel that Bacha Khan etc were good politicians and one should respect them.”
MAKE UP YOU MIND MAN. YOU DON’T BELIVE YOURSELF
He says ANP is a separatist party and anti-Pakistan (that’s what he was telling me before) people didn’t vote for separation.
NOW HE ACCEPTS THAT WE ALSO HAVE A SHARE IN THIS COUNTRY.
“What is important is that this Pakistan is as much yours as it is mine...”
Hamdani already knows my stance about Mr Jinnah and other politicians; only Qayyum khan cannot be forgiven for his crimes. Those were not only against the opponents but also against the people and the state. I always tried to write “Mr”. Jinnah thats due to respect, which means as long as you don’t tell lies about his opponents I will not speak the truth about him. As VRV wrote Badshah Khan’s one and jinnah’s a million.
I have written before I am a supporter of Ghaffar Khan. Wali Khan and Dr Khan Sahb are different people. You can compare them but they are not one. Wali Khan was part of NAP. Which was created by an ex leagui Bhashani. It was not Ghaffar Khan’s party. So they were not following or promoting Ghaffar Khans policies. Then why to blame him for the activities of NAP?
Regarding Pashtun Nationalism: NAP even after division had all the Baloch leaders and some Sindhi in it, only Bugti was with Bhutto that means NAP was not the party of Pashtun Nationalists only. Murry Mengal Bizenjo all were there. Mengal was the CM of Balochistan Province. Bizenjo was the 2nd to Wali Khan in the parliament and party.
As Hamdani wrote Mr Jinnah wanted to hand over Muslim League to Ghaffar Khan. That was the trust he had in Ghaffar Khan. Then later the same people were behind Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah against Ayub khan. Then Mr Bhutto wanted to assassinate Wali Khan. Bhutto banned his party and with all the hatred and hostility once PPP and Benazir Bhutto became Anti-establishment the newly formed Wali Khan’s ANP was their biggest ally. This all shows those people knew the reality. They accepted eachother from time to time, unlike Hamdani who cannot digest that they are the real leaders of the people of Pakistan. Wherever he finds an audience he starts his propaganda against the Khan Family.
VRV SINCE HAMDANI RETREATED FROM HIS EARLIER EXTREMIST VIEWS. REGARDING KHAN FAMILY AND ACCEPTED US A PART OF THIS COUNTRY. YOU ASKED ME TO SHOW THE EXTRACTS FROM STANLEY WOLPERT’S BOOK WITH PAGE NUMBERS. WHEN I REACH HOME TONIGHT I WILL PASTE THEM HERE. FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT IS YOUR RIGHT. I WILL ALSO SHOW HOW MUSLIM LEAGUE GOT VOTES IN PUNJAB IT WOULD BE FROM HUSSAIN HAQANI A WELL KNOWN PPP MEMBER.
KYUN MAJUMDAR BHAI: MAI NAI GHALAT TO BAHI BOLA THA NA?
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Mar 24, 2008 12:46 pm
VRV Bhai I AM HAVING FUN. THE WAY HAMDANI IS CHANGING HIS STANCE.. HE CANNOT OPENLY ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE. AT LEAST WHEN I KNOW I AM MISTAKEN AT A POINT I SHOULD ACCEPT IT.
LOOK AT HIS VIEWS
“I did write this article in good spirit whether you believe it or not.”
WHATS THE GOOD SPIRIT IN IT?
“So make no mistake about it: The portrayal of ANP's victory NWFP as a victory for secularism and democracy in that province is perhaps too optimistic an analysis given the history.”… to suggest that ANP has historically been consistently secular or democratic is not only naive but almost criminal when it comes to history..”
He calls the Khan family as crooks and opportunists, …”the world should know that Bacha Khan types are not the saint that people try to whitewash him as.”
Then he writes
“I also feel that Bacha Khan etc were good politicians and one should respect them.”
MAKE UP YOU MIND MAN. YOU DON’T BELIVE YOURSELF
He says ANP is a separatist party and anti-Pakistan (that’s what he was telling me before) people didn’t vote for separation.
NOW HE ACCEPTS THAT WE ALSO HAVE A SHARE IN THIS COUNTRY.
“What is important is that this Pakistan is as much yours as it is mine...”
Hamdani already knows my stance about Mr Jinnah and other politicians; only Qayyum khan cannot be forgiven for his crimes. Those were not only against the opponents but also against the people and the state. I always tried to write “Mr”. Jinnah thats due to respect, which means as long as you don’t tell lies about his opponents I will not speak the truth about him. As VRV wrote Badshah Khan’s one and jinnah’s a million.
I have written before I am a supporter of Ghaffar Khan. Wali Khan and Dr Khan Sahb are different people. You can compare them but they are not one. Wali Khan was part of NAP. Which was created by an ex leagui Bhashani. It was not Ghaffar Khan’s party. So they were not following or promoting Ghaffar Khans policies. Then why to blame him for the activities of NAP?
Regarding Pashtun Nationalism: NAP even after division had all the Baloch leaders and some Sindhi in it, only Bugti was with Bhutto that means NAP was not the party of Pashtun Nationalists only. Murry Mengal Bizenjo all were there. Mengal was the CM of Balochistan Province. Bizenjo was the 2nd to Wali Khan in the parliament and party.
As Hamdani wrote Mr Jinnah wanted to hand over Muslim League to Ghaffar Khan. That was the trust he had in Ghaffar Khan. Then later the same people were behind Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah against Ayub khan. Then Mr Bhutto wanted to assassinate Wali Khan. Bhutto banned his party and with all the hatred and hostility once PPP and Benazir Bhutto became Anti-establishment the newly formed Wali Khan’s ANP was their biggest ally. This all shows those people knew the reality. They accepted eachother from time to time, unlike Hamdani who cannot digest that they are the real leaders of the people of Pakistan. Wherever he finds an audience he starts his propaganda against the Khan Family.
VRV SINCE HAMDANI RETREATED FROM HIS EARLIER EXTREMIST VIEWS. REGARDING KHAN FAMILY AND ACCEPTED US A PART OF THIS COUNTRY. YOU ASKED ME TO SHOW THE EXTRACTS FROM STANLEY WOLPERT’S BOOK WITH PAGE NUMBERS. WHEN I REACH HOME TONIGHT I WILL PASTE THEM HERE. FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT IS YOUR RIGHT. I WILL ALSO SHOW HOW MUSLIM LEAGUE GOT VOTES IN PUNJAB IT WOULD BE FROM HUSSAIN HAQANI A WELL KNOWN PPP MEMBER.
KYUN MAJUMDAR BHAI: MAI NAI GHALAT TO BAHI BOLA THA NA?
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HOW ABOUT YOU GET SOME COURAGE AND ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE I WILL PROVE TO YOU THAT STANLEY WORLPERT HAS WRITTEN IT IN HIS BOOK THAT JINNAH WELCOMED VIOLENCE. INSTEAD YOU ARE FOOLING AROUND, LYUNG AND SHOWING YOUR MENTALETY BY SWEARING AT THE GREAT PEOPLE LIKE GHAFFAR KHAN.
You are showing your ignorance telling us that since you haven’t heard of something it wouldn’t have happened.
I have already proved, you are a liar. You again lied that i said muslim league in india merged into congress and that jinnah was created by churchill. Liars like jinnah bhutto and benazir are your favourite leaeders. Some morally corrupt some morally and financially corrupt. That’s what we can expect from you. Like Benazir said I don’t have accounts in Swiss Banks then later when it was proven she had them her statement was “Having accounts in swiss Banks is not a sin ”
NOW ACCPET MY CHALLENGE I WILL PROVE TO THIS FORUM THAT JINNAH ACCEPTED VIOLECNE (ACCORDING TO STANLEY WOLPERT) THE WHOLE FORUM IS WATCHING YOU NOW. I REQUEST EVERYONE HERE TO TELL HIM TO ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE OR TO ACCEPT HIS IGNORANCE.
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Mar 24, 2008 09:33 am
HAMDANI WROTE “For the avoidance of doubt, Salman still hasn't produced the extract that he claimed (of Wolpert accusing Jinnah”HOW ABOUT YOU GET SOME COURAGE AND ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE I WILL PROVE TO YOU THAT STANLEY WORLPERT HAS WRITTEN IT IN HIS BOOK THAT JINNAH WELCOMED VIOLENCE. INSTEAD YOU ARE FOOLING AROUND, LYUNG AND SHOWING YOUR MENTALETY BY SWEARING AT THE GREAT PEOPLE LIKE GHAFFAR KHAN.
You are showing your ignorance telling us that since you haven’t heard of something it wouldn’t have happened.
I have already proved, you are a liar. You again lied that i said muslim league in india merged into congress and that jinnah was created by churchill. Liars like jinnah bhutto and benazir are your favourite leaeders. Some morally corrupt some morally and financially corrupt. That’s what we can expect from you. Like Benazir said I don’t have accounts in Swiss Banks then later when it was proven she had them her statement was “Having accounts in swiss Banks is not a sin ”
NOW ACCPET MY CHALLENGE I WILL PROVE TO THIS FORUM THAT JINNAH ACCEPTED VIOLECNE (ACCORDING TO STANLEY WOLPERT) THE WHOLE FORUM IS WATCHING YOU NOW. I REQUEST EVERYONE HERE TO TELL HIM TO ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE OR TO ACCEPT HIS IGNORANCE.
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Qayyuam Khan was the biggest Muslim leagui at that time and after. he was the right hand of Jinnah and later also was with Bhutto. when he was involved in the crackdown against NAP.
there are 2 scenarios
1) either Jinnah was involved in it. because the ordinance was issued by the Governor general
2) Jinnah was not capable of ruling the country. so he had to quit his job and not let the country be abused by criminals like Qayyum khan.
in both case Blame goes to Qayyum and Jinnah becaue it was done by Muslim League Government. so they are the culprits.
Hamdani's claim that Wali Khan was Involved in Nizam-e-Mustafa movement is also a big lie like his other big lies.
NAP was banned in 1975 and the leadership including Wali Khan and all the baloch leaders were in prisons. Niza-e-Mustafa movement started in 1977. How can you balme a party which doesnt even exist and the leaership is in jails to be part of a movement. If its not true then hamdani has to tell us about the rallies attended by Wali Khan and perhaps show us some of his speaches. if he can't then he is again a Liar like his leaders. ofcourse he has proved himself a coward already.
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Salman_0902
Mar 23, 2008 07:22 pm
Mujamdar bhaiQayyuam Khan was the biggest Muslim leagui at that time and after. he was the right hand of Jinnah and later also was with Bhutto. when he was involved in the crackdown against NAP.
there are 2 scenarios
1) either Jinnah was involved in it. because the ordinance was issued by the Governor general
2) Jinnah was not capable of ruling the country. so he had to quit his job and not let the country be abused by criminals like Qayyum khan.
in both case Blame goes to Qayyum and Jinnah becaue it was done by Muslim League Government. so they are the culprits.
Hamdani's claim that Wali Khan was Involved in Nizam-e-Mustafa movement is also a big lie like his other big lies.
NAP was banned in 1975 and the leadership including Wali Khan and all the baloch leaders were in prisons. Niza-e-Mustafa movement started in 1977. How can you balme a party which doesnt even exist and the leaership is in jails to be part of a movement. If its not true then hamdani has to tell us about the rallies attended by Wali Khan and perhaps show us some of his speaches. if he can't then he is again a Liar like his leaders. ofcourse he has proved himself a coward already.
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Babara Masscre
August 12th 1948, a day that went down in the annals of Pashto history as a dark and bleak day. Heroes and villains both were born this day, some to be forever glorified for the ultimate sacrifice any human can give, and others to be always remembered for their treachery.
A day when peaceful protesters marked with blood the very ground they stood on. A day when they stood what for they believed was their right, the right to congregate, to demonstrate and to question their representatives, the right to a trial, this was after all why they with their undying ideologies had split India into two. To raise their voice against what they thought was wrong. It was a day when they would heavily pay the price for their core beliefs. Men who had been in the forefront for the fight of this country called Pakistan, a country they considered their own nation.
Rewarded with the unjust bounty of having their lands seized and unconstitutional detainment, they were being silenced with the very shackles that they had so bravely fought to free themselves of. Sadly this time it was not the British but one of their own, a coward by the name of Qayyum.
In July 1948 the provincial governor of NWFP promulgated an ordinance which authorized the government of detaining any one indefinitely and confiscating their properties without disclosing any reason to the detainee. The worse thing was that these detainees were even not allowed to challenge their arrests in the courts. The shameful part of this ordinance was that the governor was feeling so guilty of this act that he stated clearly that he is promulgating this ordinance on the special orders of Governor General Quaid-e-Azam MAHAMMAD ALI Jannah. Hundreds of nationalists were arrested, tortured and their properties were confiscated under this ordinance.
To protest against the arrests of Bacha Khan, Dr Khan Saib, Qazi Attah-ullah, Arbab Abdul Ghafoor Khan and other notables, it was decided that the Khudai Khidmatgars would in a peaceful procession march from Charsadda to Babara on12th august 1948. The march was announced ahead of time in the major newspapers, all participants were told to congregate at Charsadda empty handed and to peacefully march to the Babra grounds. There seemed to be no objection from the government, but on the 12th, they surrounded the Babra grounds with militia units, police forces, armored vehicles and tanks.
The men started out from Charsadda empty and walked toward s the grounds of Babara, they were informed of the police presence at some point, yet they believed that they were safe. They were after all the men who had sworn, “As Allah needs no service, and I shall serve Him by serving His creatures selflessly. I shall never use violence. I shall not retaliate or take revenge, and I shall forgive anyone who indulges in high-handedness and excesses against me….I shall lead a simple life, do well and refrain from wrong doing”.
When they reached Babra the police sitting in a mosque started firing on the procession and these brave men kept marching. After 45 minutes when the shooting stopped and the smoke cleared there were by one estimate, about five to six hundred dead and a 1000 to 1200 injured. Some eyewitness put the death toll at 1300. Of the two hundred and fifty bodies that were thrown into the river, many were never recovered. The real number of dead may never be known for what followed was even more inhumane, and many chose not to disclose who in their families had perished.
Women of the village seeing their men razed to the ground put Qurans on their heads and rushed into the foray screaming for the firing to stop, but their pleas fell on deaf ears and were as mercilessly shot and killed. Unarmed women and men were killed regardless of their age or sex, regardless of the fact that they were only asking for a basic human right. The right to be heard.
These atrocities did not stop here, and fully knowing how the dead are respected and afforded the courtesy of a burial, the savages started to a throw bodies into the river Kabul. No mercy was shown to the injured either and many drowned. As soon as the police departed the rest of the bodies were quickly claimed and removed by their loved ones and taken to Charsadda bazaar. Emotions were hard to control as the crowd turned on those that supported the government, but cooler heads prevailed and we can proudly say that the Pakhtun acted with honor that day.
Doctors were forbidden to treat the injured, those that did risk it were arrested and their properties confiscated. Incarcerated for showing some humanity on this inhumane day, these decent people suffered for being true to their Hippocratic Oath.
Raids followed and people found with anyone injured in their house or if their family members had died were fined for the bullets that the government had spent to kill them. People were fined outrageous sums and property was confiscated. Those who had nothing to their name were not spared either, they were deprived of their children.
What makes this sad is that it was not a foreign occupying force but their native country that had done this to them. The very country that was responsible for their safety, had let them down miserably and showed no remorse for it. No one should ever have to suffer such an indignity.
In September 1948, Chief Minister Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan gave a statement in the provincial assembly, "I had imposed section 144 at Babra. When the people did not disperse, then firing was opened on them. They were lucky that the police had finished ammunition; otherwise not a single soul would have been left alive". Khan Qayyum said hinting at the four members of the opposition in the provincial assembly. He said; "If they were killed, the government would not care about them."
There are no monuments to mark where the hundreds of fallen, there is no mention of them in school history books. There is no park or not even a plant where one can sit and contemplate what these brave men and women died for. Most children grow up not knowing what or where Babara is. We should arrange school trips to Babara and add a chapter our history books, for this is after all our history and our blood that colored the ground that fateful day. We will wear our scars with honor and pride.
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 22, 2008 10:12 pm
Check the crimes of Jinnah and Qayyum.Babara Masscre
August 12th 1948, a day that went down in the annals of Pashto history as a dark and bleak day. Heroes and villains both were born this day, some to be forever glorified for the ultimate sacrifice any human can give, and others to be always remembered for their treachery.
A day when peaceful protesters marked with blood the very ground they stood on. A day when they stood what for they believed was their right, the right to congregate, to demonstrate and to question their representatives, the right to a trial, this was after all why they with their undying ideologies had split India into two. To raise their voice against what they thought was wrong. It was a day when they would heavily pay the price for their core beliefs. Men who had been in the forefront for the fight of this country called Pakistan, a country they considered their own nation.
Rewarded with the unjust bounty of having their lands seized and unconstitutional detainment, they were being silenced with the very shackles that they had so bravely fought to free themselves of. Sadly this time it was not the British but one of their own, a coward by the name of Qayyum.
In July 1948 the provincial governor of NWFP promulgated an ordinance which authorized the government of detaining any one indefinitely and confiscating their properties without disclosing any reason to the detainee. The worse thing was that these detainees were even not allowed to challenge their arrests in the courts. The shameful part of this ordinance was that the governor was feeling so guilty of this act that he stated clearly that he is promulgating this ordinance on the special orders of Governor General Quaid-e-Azam MAHAMMAD ALI Jannah. Hundreds of nationalists were arrested, tortured and their properties were confiscated under this ordinance.
To protest against the arrests of Bacha Khan, Dr Khan Saib, Qazi Attah-ullah, Arbab Abdul Ghafoor Khan and other notables, it was decided that the Khudai Khidmatgars would in a peaceful procession march from Charsadda to Babara on12th august 1948. The march was announced ahead of time in the major newspapers, all participants were told to congregate at Charsadda empty handed and to peacefully march to the Babra grounds. There seemed to be no objection from the government, but on the 12th, they surrounded the Babra grounds with militia units, police forces, armored vehicles and tanks.
The men started out from Charsadda empty and walked toward s the grounds of Babara, they were informed of the police presence at some point, yet they believed that they were safe. They were after all the men who had sworn, “As Allah needs no service, and I shall serve Him by serving His creatures selflessly. I shall never use violence. I shall not retaliate or take revenge, and I shall forgive anyone who indulges in high-handedness and excesses against me….I shall lead a simple life, do well and refrain from wrong doing”.
When they reached Babra the police sitting in a mosque started firing on the procession and these brave men kept marching. After 45 minutes when the shooting stopped and the smoke cleared there were by one estimate, about five to six hundred dead and a 1000 to 1200 injured. Some eyewitness put the death toll at 1300. Of the two hundred and fifty bodies that were thrown into the river, many were never recovered. The real number of dead may never be known for what followed was even more inhumane, and many chose not to disclose who in their families had perished.
Women of the village seeing their men razed to the ground put Qurans on their heads and rushed into the foray screaming for the firing to stop, but their pleas fell on deaf ears and were as mercilessly shot and killed. Unarmed women and men were killed regardless of their age or sex, regardless of the fact that they were only asking for a basic human right. The right to be heard.
These atrocities did not stop here, and fully knowing how the dead are respected and afforded the courtesy of a burial, the savages started to a throw bodies into the river Kabul. No mercy was shown to the injured either and many drowned. As soon as the police departed the rest of the bodies were quickly claimed and removed by their loved ones and taken to Charsadda bazaar. Emotions were hard to control as the crowd turned on those that supported the government, but cooler heads prevailed and we can proudly say that the Pakhtun acted with honor that day.
Doctors were forbidden to treat the injured, those that did risk it were arrested and their properties confiscated. Incarcerated for showing some humanity on this inhumane day, these decent people suffered for being true to their Hippocratic Oath.
Raids followed and people found with anyone injured in their house or if their family members had died were fined for the bullets that the government had spent to kill them. People were fined outrageous sums and property was confiscated. Those who had nothing to their name were not spared either, they were deprived of their children.
What makes this sad is that it was not a foreign occupying force but their native country that had done this to them. The very country that was responsible for their safety, had let them down miserably and showed no remorse for it. No one should ever have to suffer such an indignity.
In September 1948, Chief Minister Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan gave a statement in the provincial assembly, "I had imposed section 144 at Babra. When the people did not disperse, then firing was opened on them. They were lucky that the police had finished ammunition; otherwise not a single soul would have been left alive". Khan Qayyum said hinting at the four members of the opposition in the provincial assembly. He said; "If they were killed, the government would not care about them."
There are no monuments to mark where the hundreds of fallen, there is no mention of them in school history books. There is no park or not even a plant where one can sit and contemplate what these brave men and women died for. Most children grow up not knowing what or where Babara is. We should arrange school trips to Babara and add a chapter our history books, for this is after all our history and our blood that colored the ground that fateful day. We will wear our scars with honor and pride.
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if Bengal's Muslims took to the "war path" there would "not be a single Hindu left alive in eastern Bengal.
You said it’s a propaganda of opposition, It was his statement to the press if Stanley Wolpert also writes it then?
Infact what you write about Khan Family is propaganda.
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 22, 2008 09:59 pm
Hussain Shaeed Soharwardi’s wordsif Bengal's Muslims took to the "war path" there would "not be a single Hindu left alive in eastern Bengal.
You said it’s a propaganda of opposition, It was his statement to the press if Stanley Wolpert also writes it then?
Infact what you write about Khan Family is propaganda.
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You can't accept my challenge in front of this forum. They all saw you how cowardly you are trying to ignore the challenge. I feel sorry for you.
You say you have written this article in good spirit. I asked everyone here to see what good spirit is there in these foolish claims you have made. Prove to us that there was a "special" kind of rigging in the election to support ANP
First you say there was rigging then you ANP got votes because of its social agenda. You don’t even believe yourself. For your info. Vote for ANP is not vote for separation.
Prove to us where Wali Khan had ties with Zia-ul-haq? It is a big lie you told before and you retreated from it. If Dr Khan Sahb joined the establishment it was a bad thing. When Ghaffar Khan went against the establishment it is also a bad thing. Tell us what should they have done to please Mr Hamdani? You keep talking about Mufti Mehnud and Wali Khan anti establishment and anti Bhutto alliance.
In few years: will you also blame ANP to be part of APDM where Mullah Fazal Rehman, Jamaat-e-Islami, Nawaz shareef were there? Which is anti-establishment anti Musharaf?
For your ignorance ANP was formed in 1980s. so blaming ANP for something happening in 1970s is a lie. You said ANP is opportunist. Can you explain? As everyone knows; Wali Khan refused Zia’s offer to become Premier of Pakistan. What else a person would want, who would never have a majority government in Pakistan in future. Later Nawaz Sharif requested him to become the president of Pakistan. He refused that. Asfandyar Wali was just offered the same premiership, but he excused. What else better can you get? Or you just make up these lies which go with your character.
I didn’t lie anywhere. I told you I was confused in these 2 names Pir of Manki and Fakir of Ipi. I showed you how the secular Jinnah wrote a letter to convince Pir of Manki that Pakistan will have no rule against shariya law. (Do you know about that letter or I have to copy paste it here?) Then Pir formed a Jehadi organization. In fact Jinnah lied to almost everyone. No wonder Hamdani follows his path. The way Jinnah got support from Khan of Kalat. When Khan came to ask him to fulfill his promise Jinnah was annoyed with him. Why the hell he keeps reminding of Jinnah’s promises.
5) for pir of Manki and his jehadist organization check “Khizr Tiwana, the Punjab Unionist Party and the Partition of India” By Ian Talbot page 133. Don’t ask again about the proof of Pir’s organization.
When he was asked why you don’t form the constitution of Pakistan. Jinnah was smart he knew if he told what he would bring in Pakistan. A lot of people won’t like it. So he said. We will form a constitution once we get the land. Like Afghanistan wrote their constitution after they got their land. (What a great example he gave at that time).
Prove to us that Ghaffar Khan and his Khuda-e-khidmatgar were involved in violence along with Fakir of Ipi. The whole world knows him as THE PATHAN UNAMARED. Then you come, repeat the lies of Hayat Sherpao’s assassination and blame Wali Khan and Ghaffar Khan for that. Why do you hate them so much? He is a great guy the whole world has acknowledged it. That’s why he was nominated for Noble Peace Prize. If he would to kill someone then Qayyum Khan was the best candidate for that. When the whole world knows him as nonviolent then you tells us. Hey he was not nonviolent he was with fakir of Ipi. Don’t consider them secular. He was with Mufti Mehmud. He forgets that the way Jinnah used Islam and violence nobody in India has used it. In NWFP their slogan was “Islam is in Danger.” Qayyum Khan told Khan Sahb: “you are not a true Muslim”. In Punjab it was like if you don’t give vote to Muslim League you are not Muslim. Your Nikkah is false. You will go to hell. The same conservative and religious fanatics were killing Hindus and Sikhs. To tell the world that if you left us together. We will not leave India in peace. Like Jinnah said. We will have either have divided India or destroyed India. That’s why after Pakistan was created when the Hindu enemy wasn’t there. Muslim League disappeared. But the Muslims who were supporting Jinnah and were left in India went to congress. Congress delivered their promises and proved a real political force supported by the masses. On the other hand the biggest leaders of Muslim League even left it. Some formed Republican Party. Soharwardi left ML and later was being assassinated by the establishment. G. M Sayed became a separatist. When their own leaders didn’t remain there. How can you prove it was a real party and Jinnah was real leader?
Nobody in Pakistan is more secular, democratic and Nonviolent than the organization of Ghaffar khan. If you know someone then please do tell us.
Like Wali Khan told your leader Bhutto. You stop telling lies about me I will stop telling truth about you. So you stop telling lies about Ghaffar Khan I will stop telling the truth about Jinnah and his gang.
I can prove everything whatever I have said about Mr Jinnah. It’s just you who cannot face the challenge. If you say Stanley Wolpert has never written that Muslims started violence or Jinnah welcomed violence then why you don’t accept my challenge.
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 22, 2008 09:54 pm
Hamdani You can't accept my challenge in front of this forum. They all saw you how cowardly you are trying to ignore the challenge. I feel sorry for you.
You say you have written this article in good spirit. I asked everyone here to see what good spirit is there in these foolish claims you have made. Prove to us that there was a "special" kind of rigging in the election to support ANP
First you say there was rigging then you ANP got votes because of its social agenda. You don’t even believe yourself. For your info. Vote for ANP is not vote for separation.
Prove to us where Wali Khan had ties with Zia-ul-haq? It is a big lie you told before and you retreated from it. If Dr Khan Sahb joined the establishment it was a bad thing. When Ghaffar Khan went against the establishment it is also a bad thing. Tell us what should they have done to please Mr Hamdani? You keep talking about Mufti Mehnud and Wali Khan anti establishment and anti Bhutto alliance.
In few years: will you also blame ANP to be part of APDM where Mullah Fazal Rehman, Jamaat-e-Islami, Nawaz shareef were there? Which is anti-establishment anti Musharaf?
For your ignorance ANP was formed in 1980s. so blaming ANP for something happening in 1970s is a lie. You said ANP is opportunist. Can you explain? As everyone knows; Wali Khan refused Zia’s offer to become Premier of Pakistan. What else a person would want, who would never have a majority government in Pakistan in future. Later Nawaz Sharif requested him to become the president of Pakistan. He refused that. Asfandyar Wali was just offered the same premiership, but he excused. What else better can you get? Or you just make up these lies which go with your character.
I didn’t lie anywhere. I told you I was confused in these 2 names Pir of Manki and Fakir of Ipi. I showed you how the secular Jinnah wrote a letter to convince Pir of Manki that Pakistan will have no rule against shariya law. (Do you know about that letter or I have to copy paste it here?) Then Pir formed a Jehadi organization. In fact Jinnah lied to almost everyone. No wonder Hamdani follows his path. The way Jinnah got support from Khan of Kalat. When Khan came to ask him to fulfill his promise Jinnah was annoyed with him. Why the hell he keeps reminding of Jinnah’s promises.
5) for pir of Manki and his jehadist organization check “Khizr Tiwana, the Punjab Unionist Party and the Partition of India” By Ian Talbot page 133. Don’t ask again about the proof of Pir’s organization.
When he was asked why you don’t form the constitution of Pakistan. Jinnah was smart he knew if he told what he would bring in Pakistan. A lot of people won’t like it. So he said. We will form a constitution once we get the land. Like Afghanistan wrote their constitution after they got their land. (What a great example he gave at that time).
Prove to us that Ghaffar Khan and his Khuda-e-khidmatgar were involved in violence along with Fakir of Ipi. The whole world knows him as THE PATHAN UNAMARED. Then you come, repeat the lies of Hayat Sherpao’s assassination and blame Wali Khan and Ghaffar Khan for that. Why do you hate them so much? He is a great guy the whole world has acknowledged it. That’s why he was nominated for Noble Peace Prize. If he would to kill someone then Qayyum Khan was the best candidate for that. When the whole world knows him as nonviolent then you tells us. Hey he was not nonviolent he was with fakir of Ipi. Don’t consider them secular. He was with Mufti Mehmud. He forgets that the way Jinnah used Islam and violence nobody in India has used it. In NWFP their slogan was “Islam is in Danger.” Qayyum Khan told Khan Sahb: “you are not a true Muslim”. In Punjab it was like if you don’t give vote to Muslim League you are not Muslim. Your Nikkah is false. You will go to hell. The same conservative and religious fanatics were killing Hindus and Sikhs. To tell the world that if you left us together. We will not leave India in peace. Like Jinnah said. We will have either have divided India or destroyed India. That’s why after Pakistan was created when the Hindu enemy wasn’t there. Muslim League disappeared. But the Muslims who were supporting Jinnah and were left in India went to congress. Congress delivered their promises and proved a real political force supported by the masses. On the other hand the biggest leaders of Muslim League even left it. Some formed Republican Party. Soharwardi left ML and later was being assassinated by the establishment. G. M Sayed became a separatist. When their own leaders didn’t remain there. How can you prove it was a real party and Jinnah was real leader?
Nobody in Pakistan is more secular, democratic and Nonviolent than the organization of Ghaffar khan. If you know someone then please do tell us.
Like Wali Khan told your leader Bhutto. You stop telling lies about me I will stop telling truth about you. So you stop telling lies about Ghaffar Khan I will stop telling the truth about Jinnah and his gang.
I can prove everything whatever I have said about Mr Jinnah. It’s just you who cannot face the challenge. If you say Stanley Wolpert has never written that Muslims started violence or Jinnah welcomed violence then why you don’t accept my challenge.
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Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 22, 2008 09:10 pm
oh so you the prophet or you are just scoring points because the last time you talked about The Prophet you were comparing him with Jinnah and telling us Jinnah was better than him.
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Thanx for your imput. thats what I keep telling him. you like some just praise him write whatever good you can find. why make up things about other people and hurt the feelings of their supporters.
Posted by
Salman_0902
Mar 21, 2008 12:29 am
Ijaz gul brother. Thanx for your imput. thats what I keep telling him. you like some just praise him write whatever good you can find. why make up things about other people and hurt the feelings of their supporters.
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