Man And The Sun "There will be no prejudice on race or on religion"
---how unbelievably sweet and original. : )


"
The man watched the sun as it rises to the heavens
Shine! So entire humanity may see your essence "

you might consider past tense for 'rises' --it is not in agreement with the tense of the preceding verb.
and yes, yes..please shine...and entire humanity..etc etc...well done chowk -- the bright and elusive scare us, the simple and juvenile impress our SOULS. aren't we deep, deep, deep & moooooore.

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Mirror, Mirror Hi Nadeem! woops I mean NFP I just came here to see whether this place still existed, and it seems that it does -- that intensive months of linguistic training -- has disturbed nothing of it at all! Parallel dimensionality...fascinating. So this India-Pakistan objectivity statement is cool, like the third view of the whole situation -- the Myth.
I like the fact that Pakistan divorced India, some 60 years ago, it tells us instantly that Pakistan's got some style.

I can say 'no,' I can do as I please'

This is quite powerful -- I just got "Freedom at Midnight" from the library here, and am thinking of reading it (never did in school years, i found it too boring compared to the romances I used to read at that time -- Atlas Shrugged, this I shall say before the male paradigm severs me as a reader from the race altogether)
As Atlas Shrugged is a "philosophy" book -- its the code man. We shudder at the word 'romance' like its a disease, perhaps it is. Durrell calls cancer and love the same thing. And I don't know what A level kids call it now, back in my day, they used to call it 'socially relevant,facebook,orbit' like it was a planet.

So yes, back to the reading comment, I'm gonna read it now and if I do, it'll be interesting for next years course "Historical and Comparative Linguistics."

Dear god, what is reading this language, gonna do to me.
Anyway, I like your 'blank spaces' in the comments sections, because its really like a scribble-board, (graffiti wall if you will)...its like a strange thing, very strange thing. OK bye Nadeem! oh i mean...N F P

Three Cups of Tea & Pennies for Peace Hi Ras, sorry it took so long to get to this, what a heart-warming piece!

"The mountain people of the area take their friendships very seriously"

lol, I also like that now he's being given the "sitar-e-pakistan" award, sooo sweet! We got some people.

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Ras, I don't know much about Chowk, and I have too much of a sense of humor to really stay serious too long, and I think Chowk has a wonderful audience -- they are serious, sober and intellectual.

I've been on other sites, American & Canadian, and there's too much talk, and too little listening, and oh yes, how could i forget this, too much 'proper conduct'

At Chowk, on the other hand, everyone is more than willing to 'read' wants to read, and better still, fight for or against what they read.

We're definitely not a formal audience, are we!

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The Cry of Karachi yes, Morni my city has suffered, and that is what will bring us together again -- this suffering.

Thanks for the comment -- every person counts, every moment too. : )

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Fathers and Daughters Thanks Morni, for you and for bali:

Shama hai koyee Musafir nahin


Shama hai koyee musafir nahin

jitnei badal chahai jala do
jultai badal thundee shamon mei pighalein toh...

it is the cool of the evening
that will keep us strong

jitnee jaan azaab mei daaltei ho tum
haar jaanei do aik aur lehr ko

sub sahein gay hum...
jaan leitei ho, toh leitei raho
khuun behta hai, toh behnei do

aaj moseequi kee baat kiyei bina
ghar laut kei nahin jayei gay hum

Shama hai koyee musafir nahin

awaaz bulund hai, haarai nahin abhee hum....

it will be the fire of the soul
that will keep us strong

shama ko jultee bujhtee rehnei do
shama hai, koyee musafar nahin



Stay this wayyy


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Three Cups of Tea & Pennies for Peace Ras, good to see you here, I will be reading this article tonight.

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Fathers and Daughters lol..what on earth is OTW, ok I looked it up "the MeiraJ-Masadi Debate" lol...every time I think I'm about leaving, you people come up with things like this...haha

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Fathers and Daughters #180 -- there is a time and place to speak about everything. Sometimes we want to not speak about things, thats cool as well. A mystery retains far more value in any relation, than by stating it as scientific facts.

I've not read Sons & Lovers yet, but I remembered the title, and in some ways it triggered this title. There is very little talk about this -- its beauty, its breath, its sensitivity.

You can find the best friend, he will read 500 poems and respond to each and every one.

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Fathers and Daughters #172 Ana, its hilarious. So of course it makes it 'fun' -- there you go, repeating what I just said, a second ago. Again.

: ) : )

#178, Very interesting Ahmed Madani Sahib, I really don't know what Masadi has been trying to get at, he posted at least 16 comments saying "Freud"..and yet not able to say one word beyond it.

It is true that I have learnt a great deal about this particular relation, Father and Daughter as friends -- from some of my European friends, fathers are far more aware of their daughters as 'women' as far as I could tell.

My father, always wanted me to be a warrior, and you all can pretty much see the results. lol...I grew up with mental stamina, usually reserved for the men. :-) In philosophy classes, I could usually argue with all the boys who never took arguments personally [it can kill an argument] but still believed in the argument itself.

At the end of our discussions, we were always able to say: "hey you raised some good points/how did you think of that!! " etc so as to sharpen our minds, as the goal was what rose out of the dialogue version debate: thesis, antithesis: synthesis.

These are all questions we must raise for our society, and dialogues we should be able to maintain, without people losing track of everything, we must be able to stay civil, and yet be able to argue, to exist, to fight for what we believe in, and yet see the other's point of view.

You just did all of that, very impressive. Masadi could learn from you. So could we all.

Freud, also talks of the "primal horde" which is an interesting idea, this is the 'killing of the father' that occurs in the men. I find this fascinating. His oedipal-complex theory is also men-based. The woman serving the pivotal role ofcourse, what story ever did not? :-)

I personally love Freud's work on "Melancholia" - that paper read in parts to me like poetry. Not that I'd follow it like the Bible or anything, but still it had some very, very good points. One, differentiating "Mourning" from "Melancholia."

Ever thought of Society -- as a whole -- suffering from a disease? What would our society be suffering from, in psychological terms? I have some ideas on this. There's so much that can be made simple.

Again, I wrote "Fathers & Daughters" because it is relevant.

Even, if it helps bring up "Freud" -- before a psychiatrist does that, why not know it yourself? Define life at your own terms, so no Masadis now or never can as much as harm you for a moment?

It is not about mild irritations, its about facing society, with a calm that nothing can shatter.

My father has brought me much strength in this regard, and I often have wanted to share it with my friends -- those who never knew strength like that.



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Fathers and Daughters haha Ana.....are you serious Masadi is a Professeur?

LOLLLLLLLLLL I swear I love Chowk I haven't laughed this much in my life.......no wonder this world is no fun anymore, Masadis are professeurs hahaha
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and by the way, for my wonderful Pakistanis, no one can beat our style, listen to what the Europeans had to say about this one [Masadi's moon concerns, hahaha lol] I knew they'd love it, ok here goes, bringing you treasures:

LOL

Konstantine writes:
"HOW CAN SOMEBODY PUT SO MUCH OF AN IDIOT IN ONE SINGLE BRAIN?????????
I SIMPLY CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT HE'S WRITTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!! JESUS, I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN IT ALL!

Phoenix, I once wrote a story about twin clouds which flew against the wind. I wrote it when I was living in Navarre. Everybody loved it. It's called The Story of the Secret.
I fell off the chair after reading your Avignon quote, it's superb!
"

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Fathers and Daughters OK everyone I got to go, work to do.

Let Masadi claim his insecticide for a day, we'll let it sit in the public stare, I'll come tomorrow.

Au Revoir

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Fathers and Daughters #161, oh Masadi another "you know it you know it" "Freud freud" "fathers , fathers, err, umm so I so I as if as if"

oh come on man, have the guts and speak your mind, and show us all the filth that you are. In clear daylight. We want to see you. Bolo, and don't keep running away with "oh you know you know" "Im such a scurrying little pained ___and no one reads my articles boo hoo " awwww bechaaara masadi, what did freud say, batao na, kia hai aap ke dil mei zara khul kei kahiyei.

Freud said what?

by the way Freud also said, those who believe in God are
Schizophrenic --

Continue with care, Masadi.

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Fathers and Daughters Ah Ana, I do see your point. :-)

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Masadi, conception - conceiving, is part of imagination, creating...part of giving it existence. I introduced new meanings there. [you can do so, in any essay, given you highlight how meanings will be used within a given context.
This is true for all essays, not just creative writing.]
I did clarify this:

Imagination Vs Creativity [opposing each other, one concieves, the other creates]"

That bracketed information existed, for you to grasp the more narrower transcription of the words "imagination"
[to imagine] creativity: creates"

I don't know why I should explain this again [this is a waste of my time, but you're so slow. You really didn't get that?

Wow.

"Internal logic" my dear Sir, if the moon can run after me, so can the wind bring it to me, one follows the other?

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This is what I hate these masadi types most for, making the 'laughter' die away...this is exactly what i hate you for.

So we now know, that we are enemies. But you don't believe in laughter, merry-making, imagination, creativity...

and I don't believe in minds from the dark ages. Thanks for letting me know why. I do treasure all this. It will work so well into so many themes in my writing. You people give me a chance for 'live-experiments.'

Hmm, very interesting.

Has anyone seen or read "Name of the Rose"? In that movie there's a person like Masadi who goes around chanting that there should be no 'laughter' as it is a sign of EVIL.
And he wants to burn all the books that record any signs of it. He also murders for it.

Can't we see people as characters here, and lighten the whole scene up?

I am surprised that no one has called me "Evil"/Devil/ etc yet, I was sooooooooooooooooooooooo looking forward to it.
Damn it!


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Fathers and Daughters 146, Another masterpiece from the "literate". She writes " used to run after the moon, but in the car that my father drove, the moon was always running after him. I could watch it come so near to us, the wind sending it our way."

If the "moon" was running after you the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way."

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#146, Ah Masadi, you do make me laugh. This is really one of the best responses I ever got for anything I wrote. I must share it with my friends. You'll give us all something to laugh away the night with...(sigh! the poets...

Ok, ahem, coming back to your *noble,able and what is the word you'd like to call it Masadi? come I'll just call it that. there, there, don't fret. Lol

haha, ok sorry, yes so,

"If the "moon" was running after you the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way."
is what Mr. Masadi writes. lol hahaha

So you accept the first clause, that is the moon was running after me? How probable or improbable is that? can the moon run after little girls?
Lol, assuming it does do that, every tuesday, wouldn't the wind allow it? For this, we must carry out a simple experiment, to really find out HOW

"the "wind" which blows from the front to back of a driving car can NEVER drive it your way, it is pushing it away not your way"

Hmmmm, given my current experiment with the moon, and memory in its wind, you might have a point there masadi, the wind is perhaps not the driving force, the moon and the wind seems to be the fire beneath it, symbol of water/fire...

and you know my father used to argue with me that those two qualities cannot exist together. So I think that is coming up, the tension of that argument, I always felt you could encompass two opposing qualities.

Interesting discussion, thanks for the thoughts.

By the way, what happened to your Freudian Hypothesis? Or has that too gone to the moon, all lunar eclipsed by the wind? I do think the wind is the driving force here though.

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Creative Writing, Mr. Masadi, makes the ordinary resemble the extraordinary. We do this, not for stylistic errors, but to show that these two perceptions are not very irrelevant to each other.

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A story for the listener:

When I visited the City of Avignon, which is blue and white to my mind, as is the color scheme of this piece [sea,blue,water /opposed to white/moon/clarity/stone]
I saw the statue of a man there, carved and standing in front of the Palace of the Popes,

In his hands he's holding a book, on which is written, in french:
"Je suis une erreur"
[I am an Error]

The man keeps laughing, and there is water pouring down constantly over the entire length of his body, that is made of golden and burnt bold bronze.



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Fathers and Daughters #142, The font is not "Arabic, it is "Urdu." I love it because it resembles a cat typographically the way it is placed, it also reminds me of a snake. Both are highly seductive symbols to me.

#146
Let me 'educate' you on how to receive such a delicate article. First of all, the passage you quote, is from the 'perspective' of the author which it is a 'child-narrative'
Children, specially daughters 'listen' to their fathers like that. The symbols are crashing in the mind of the child, not the 'father figure.'-- who comes forth as a distant, silent figure, captured in imagination of his daughter.

You're a novice reader. The themes to look for in this particular paragraph were: Imagination Vs Creativity [opposing each other, one concieves, the other creates]
The other themes one could possibly point out would be:
Child Vs Father, and the abstraction of it, as daughter Vs Imaginary Figure who 'believes and talks of the moon'
As she hears it its what it starts to mean to her,
he probably spoke of it, in distant ways. It is her imagination that colors it with the child's sensitivity to the father. [of which no father can find a replacement ever, no one will ever look at you like that again --]

Just some of the ideas running here. Ok, so to your next quotation. [by the way, its a good start, to at least try to give words your inabilities.] Bravo.

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Fathers and Daughters #150, T.S there's logic in every poem I wrote, as much as there is logic in language -- you speak it, but can you 'analyze' how you say what, when and where?

Temper, Vemper: T, its energy, understand it like so. Or would you like to assume hurricanes have an 'emotional quality'? No, mate, hurricanes are just hurricanes. There's no god behind it. That's adding 'emotionalism' to an occurence.

This is also how science understands it. As a process, some go far to say with the "Gaia Hypothesis" that Earth has a natural eco-control system. But scientists don't talk about "God" in their hypothesis, neither do I talk about "one single illogical line" in anything I ever wrote.

Making a fuss about temper, seems to me, like making a fuss about 'being controlled' -- they are two different ways of being. Take your pick. whats the big deal, either way?

--Fatima.

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