Fathers and Daughters
http://chowk.com/ilogs/69246/49029
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TS, so whats the deal, what are the secrets. do let us know.
; )
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 05:33 pm
Talking about Maulana, please do read this, whoever is reading:http://chowk.com/ilogs/69246/49029
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TS, so whats the deal, what are the secrets. do let us know.
; )
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Fathers and Daughters
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 04:39 pm
I'm completely confused....how come you people don't have real names?معرآج
Fathers and Daughters
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 01:35 pm
I wrote some stuff, in this vein, not many people have cared for it, [except one or two]...its what i really want to write...would you be interested in reading? معرآج
Fathers and Daughters
Thus I want to approach Joyce's mega-works with the tools of linguistical analysis.
I have read "Portrait of the Artist" long ago, and "Chamber Music" and actually he's been my guide in many ways.
I did read something of Nabakov's, at that time it didn't strike me as much as Joyce has done. He is a life-savior.
Writing is my passion, and finally I found someone far superior to everything I was, he had broken the barriers. His work on language and sound is insane. I have never read anything better or more complex.
Plus it gets me high. I can forget EVERYTHING, in just one paragraph. Its all written in that terrible place of laughter-tears-laughter___
There's a lot more I could say about this, but I don't know how interested anyone would be. I love his work.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 01:33 pm
I haven't read it cover to cover :-), but done a lot of research around the topic. Lucia is a huanting figure. At the moment I am studying linguistic patterns within the text, I could read it in one go [I do get it, thats the alarming part, but it transports me elsewhere, its very hard to return]Thus I want to approach Joyce's mega-works with the tools of linguistical analysis.
I have read "Portrait of the Artist" long ago, and "Chamber Music" and actually he's been my guide in many ways.
I did read something of Nabakov's, at that time it didn't strike me as much as Joyce has done. He is a life-savior.
Writing is my passion, and finally I found someone far superior to everything I was, he had broken the barriers. His work on language and sound is insane. I have never read anything better or more complex.
Plus it gets me high. I can forget EVERYTHING, in just one paragraph. Its all written in that terrible place of laughter-tears-laughter___
There's a lot more I could say about this, but I don't know how interested anyone would be. I love his work.
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Fathers and Daughters
Don't get offended. but why would you do that, its a peculiar case.
Men get more offended these days, than women do. The world is changing, well at least something came of it.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 01:25 pm
Nb, I was just poking fun at Masadi, and his areas of interest.Don't get offended. but why would you do that, its a peculiar case.
Men get more offended these days, than women do. The world is changing, well at least something came of it.
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Fathers and Daughters
Its become a 'concept' in the air, and bringing it down to purpose and functionality requires a lot of work, and commitment.
Lekin agar humein politiks aur religion or zarooree kaamon se fursat millei...tab na!! :P
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 12:09 pm
If we want to know who we are, Art should be important to us all.Its become a 'concept' in the air, and bringing it down to purpose and functionality requires a lot of work, and commitment.
Lekin agar humein politiks aur religion or zarooree kaamon se fursat millei...tab na!! :P
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Fathers and Daughters
I never make temperamental comments, everything I say has a very decisive structure, and I can defend my positions -- I believe in what I fight for. This is not 'temperament' this is 'determination.'
Everything I have ever said here, was never made of blind anger, I'm actually quite poised, and try my hand at acting the energy that is required, to carry forth my work: bring Art to the People.
Art, as not confined by institutionalization of it, Art, as not destroyed by Psychiatrists, Art, that cannot be ridiculed by Mullahs.
If Masadi has a point, he has to be clear about it. If he doesn't, I suggest he doesn't speak up in the first place.
Its a waste of my time.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 11:52 am
#60, I don't know anything about him, T.S, new and improved, or old and worn-out. Really, I have no clue. I never make temperamental comments, everything I say has a very decisive structure, and I can defend my positions -- I believe in what I fight for. This is not 'temperament' this is 'determination.'
Everything I have ever said here, was never made of blind anger, I'm actually quite poised, and try my hand at acting the energy that is required, to carry forth my work: bring Art to the People.
Art, as not confined by institutionalization of it, Art, as not destroyed by Psychiatrists, Art, that cannot be ridiculed by Mullahs.
If Masadi has a point, he has to be clear about it. If he doesn't, I suggest he doesn't speak up in the first place.
Its a waste of my time.
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Fathers and Daughters
No fatwa? nothing? Wow. I must be an excellent writer.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 6, 2008 08:17 am
#55, what happened Mr. (noble) Masadi? Cat got your tongue? No fatwa? nothing? Wow. I must be an excellent writer.
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Fathers and Daughters
Again, if you want to talk Freud, lets begin, it will be a long discussion, and we we can exchange notes with the psychiatrist on the unit, [Dr. Sohail, I believe.]
So lets hear it, why mention "Freud" -- can you explain this humor, since judging your previous comments at various places I often sense only blind anger from you. [respectedly]
Unless, the mention was a faus pas, in that case, lets let the issue rest. As its already quite real.
You have a Nice Day as well,
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 5, 2008 06:35 pm
Mr. Masadi, I do not trust your words and humor much, with the comments I have seen you making. I do not expect anything 'real' from you for an article that I wrote.Again, if you want to talk Freud, lets begin, it will be a long discussion, and we we can exchange notes with the psychiatrist on the unit, [Dr. Sohail, I believe.]
So lets hear it, why mention "Freud" -- can you explain this humor, since judging your previous comments at various places I often sense only blind anger from you. [respectedly]
Unless, the mention was a faus pas, in that case, lets let the issue rest. As its already quite real.
You have a Nice Day as well,
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Fathers and Daughters
I specifically used the word "Pakistan" to denote, our cultural values, our language and our tradition.
Between Freud, [whose work I am very familiar with] and Joyce, [whose daughter was treated by Jung, Freud's disciple] I prefer Joyce.
I can refer you to a great and real work if you want to know about Father-daughter relations since always:
"Finegan's Wake" -- By Joyce.
My question was rhetorical, and as I specifically wrote this piece thinking of the Chowk site, I wanted to pose that as a question to all of you and make you wonder about the possibilities of this relation -- which believe me, are more than Freud could ever imagine. His work is too elementary in this area, and only as a reflective of "Father-Son" relations, if you are referring to the "Electra-Complex"
Freud is better known for his "Oedipal-Complex" theory. Have you read it? Could you tell us what it means? (by the way do you have any sons.)
Thanks.
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I appreciate the comment, but Masadi has a point. :-)
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 5, 2008 06:22 pm
Mr. Masadi, I appreciate your knowledge of what occurs in an area that must be quite near to you as well, in one way or another.I specifically used the word "Pakistan" to denote, our cultural values, our language and our tradition.
Between Freud, [whose work I am very familiar with] and Joyce, [whose daughter was treated by Jung, Freud's disciple] I prefer Joyce.
I can refer you to a great and real work if you want to know about Father-daughter relations since always:
"Finegan's Wake" -- By Joyce.
My question was rhetorical, and as I specifically wrote this piece thinking of the Chowk site, I wanted to pose that as a question to all of you and make you wonder about the possibilities of this relation -- which believe me, are more than Freud could ever imagine. His work is too elementary in this area, and only as a reflective of "Father-Son" relations, if you are referring to the "Electra-Complex"
Freud is better known for his "Oedipal-Complex" theory. Have you read it? Could you tell us what it means? (by the way do you have any sons.)
Thanks.
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Naqshbandi
I appreciate the comment, but Masadi has a point. :-)
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MQM - History and Origins
ye log Jahiloon ki AKHIRI class hain. Ye PARDHAI-LIkhai Jahil hain.
LOL I think thats so original, and quotable. :-)
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 5, 2008 03:10 pm
#54 haha VIQARM, that reminds me of what my father says when he's really angry:ye log Jahiloon ki AKHIRI class hain. Ye PARDHAI-LIkhai Jahil hain.
LOL I think thats so original, and quotable. :-)
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MQM - History and Origins
Working in a prestigious institute in Karachi, I had a very fine struggle about this. It took me 2 years of pain and loss of identity, to muster up the strength to write what I have written today.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 5, 2008 02:35 pm
Thank you Mr. Salim.Working in a prestigious institute in Karachi, I had a very fine struggle about this. It took me 2 years of pain and loss of identity, to muster up the strength to write what I have written today.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 5, 2008 01:32 pm
*Urdu the Language, sorry about that typo.معرآج
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How can Urdu, the languages that enjoys and rightfully maintains the national status in the country of Pakistan, belong to any one group, as part of their 'identity.'
I, am ofcourse a politikal novice, my mind full of poetry, but I cannot understand what relationship you are asking me to develop with, which I have always known to be MY language.
Its part of my national identity, and status as a Pakistani -- in any part of the world.
Saying, that this is 'only' an MQM identification, really hurts me -- perhaps because I am a woman, and on top of that, a poet --
Whatever the case, I am a Pakistani, and I would like to understand how a 'national language' can belong to any one politikal sector.
This seems like a sacrilegious assertion to me. And languages & Identity are both important and relevant topics to me and my poetic concerns of life.
PS: My Father is from the Punjab, but my entire life I have always called "KARACHI" my city, since I spent 22 years there, that's almost all of my life.
So are you going to say next, the city too, 'belongs' to someone else?
Do we the Fakirs, and Poets, have any right to exist in what is only your motherland?
Please respond. I'd like to be taken seriously. If I'm a novice, I can learn.
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Posted by
MeiraJ08
Oct 5, 2008 01:31 pm
Can anyone here, please respond to a politikal non-literate:How can Urdu, the languages that enjoys and rightfully maintains the national status in the country of Pakistan, belong to any one group, as part of their 'identity.'
I, am ofcourse a politikal novice, my mind full of poetry, but I cannot understand what relationship you are asking me to develop with, which I have always known to be MY language.
Its part of my national identity, and status as a Pakistani -- in any part of the world.
Saying, that this is 'only' an MQM identification, really hurts me -- perhaps because I am a woman, and on top of that, a poet --
Whatever the case, I am a Pakistani, and I would like to understand how a 'national language' can belong to any one politikal sector.
This seems like a sacrilegious assertion to me. And languages & Identity are both important and relevant topics to me and my poetic concerns of life.
PS: My Father is from the Punjab, but my entire life I have always called "KARACHI" my city, since I spent 22 years there, that's almost all of my life.
So are you going to say next, the city too, 'belongs' to someone else?
Do we the Fakirs, and Poets, have any right to exist in what is only your motherland?
Please respond. I'd like to be taken seriously. If I'm a novice, I can learn.
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