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Half Nelson and Children of Men


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Half Nelson and Children of Men

Topic started by neembu on Apr 8, 2007 6:44:18 pm

The title derives from the schematic scaffolding of a political theory main character and history teacher Dan (Ryan Gosling) introduces in the beginning of the film. The term is ’’dialectic’’, loosely interpreted as dialogue of ideas or two forces in conflict. A ’’half nelson’’ is a wrestling move in which both combatants are locked in battle.

The film meditates on this metaphor again and again. One strand has Dan’s junior high school students negotiating a Civil Rights curricula component and how this movement has tangibly and tangibly affected their lives intra ’’War on Terrorism’’. Another layer deals directly with Dan’s counterpoint, the deeply wise and complex Drey (Shareeka Epps) whose brother’s in prison for dealing drugs and who catches Dan smoking crack on school grounds.

Dan’s addiction is an interesting topic. An inventive and brilliant history teacher, his students rise to the occasion making their classroom a site of some fairly fascinating interrogation. Outside of the classroom and basketball court where he coaches, he seems to lose his bearings. I could have placed this movie in an anyhow town where there are ’’black’’ and ’’white’’ neighborhoods and clubs. Dan has no problem picking up young women at alt clubs and bars-but they dont seem to understand what his job is-what teaching in an urban environment can really mean. Neither does his fam-even though his father is a 60s hippy, he cracks (and for some reason I was reminded of Jang-and not in a good way) some f’ed up jokes about Ebonics. A Latina teacher whom Dan might have something in common asks for a kind of committment that Dan simply cannot meet.

Drey struggles to make decisions that make sense given the contradictory messages she sees all around her. Her mother, an EMT worker accepts, after internal struggle, the money Frank, a drug deal sends her during her son’s imprisonment. Meanwhile, Frank, elegant and bright, acts like an uncle and the next night tries to initiate Drey on as dealer-she all of thirteen. In one of the most moving scenes-charming and heartbreaking, Drey is lead through a tableaux that is something out of a Dylan or a Tricky video to make a decision that will determine the rest of life.

This is a smart movie in a way we dont see movies. Its discussions of race, class, gender, power and education are straightforward and without pretense-from the perspectives of teachers, students, adminstrators and parents. Gosling does a great job in portraying Dan-at turns sweet, and ruthless. His drug scenes are credible, they seem like a realistic response to the ennui the United States seems to have found itself lately. Quite wisely, the movie establishes Drey is the unwavering conscience of the movie. Her character asks the important internal questions we need answered. Epps is extraordinarily talented. At no point is this movie sentimental-and that is quite an accomplishment.

Children of Men made me realise how fake bullets from Hollywood movies and video games look, sound, and move. The inmates at Gitmo as of this writing have started a hunger strike.




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Post by neembu on Apr 11, 2007 5:31:50 pm


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Post by neembu on Apr 10, 2007 5:43:04 pm

re: 23

no way :))


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Post by Raw_Dust on Apr 10, 2007 12:31:40 pm

not me.
I am waiting for kar-wai’s


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Post by neembu on Apr 9, 2007 5:56:52 pm



anyone seen better luck tomorrow?


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Post by Raw_Dust on Apr 9, 2007 1:33:50 pm

i watched with a twisted friend of mine and her sis. they both liked tarantino one better. not surprisingly.


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Post by rahul_capri on Apr 9, 2007 12:59:07 pm

#15 who do u watch these movies with..i wish i had a twisted friend in town :@:@


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Post by Raw_Dust on Apr 9, 2007 12:42:08 pm

#18 #16 I liked rodriguez feature better. but come to think of, after 36 hours, i dun see a comparison. They are different. Rodriguez did a slasher flick, i.e., nonstop violence, jokes, sex and repeat. Tarantino did essentially a car-chase film. plus, it has two talky scenes. one in the car (ala royale-with-cheese scene like in pulp fiction) and the other in a diner with four friends talking (opening scene of reservoir dogs). He’s become That cool to refer to his schtick now in his films. There are chase sequences that i have never seen anything like it. Rodriguez was referring to alot of old mexican b-movies from 80s which i have only a vague idea. There was a cool trailer about a ’’Mexican’’ hitman who had quit The Life and had to come back to work for mafia as he was going to get deported from USA. It’s called Machette with a tagline: ’’They should have known better because they fucked with the wrong Mexican!.’’

(sydney poitier’s daughter sydney poitier was amazing in tarantino film when me and my friend were expecting the ol’ man sydney to show up. typical tarantinoesque curveball.)



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Post by neembu on Apr 9, 2007 11:50:44 am

i read that tarantino’s piece was great and rodriguez’s half was eh....any comments?


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Post by neembu on Apr 9, 2007 11:49:17 am

re: 14

no, i agree on that count. everyone was suspect-even the infant :))


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Post by CheGuevara on Apr 9, 2007 11:22:55 am

’’did you catch the psuedointellectual snippet by that pothead: faith and chance, ying and yang, shiva and shakti, lennon and mccartney. i thought that was pretty glib but cool.’’
This one

But I’m really looking forward to grindhouse (T)


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Post by Raw_Dust on Apr 9, 2007 11:20:01 am

watch grindhouse asap. it is pure sickness! has its own fake-trailers and fake-commercials in between the two feature films. one trailer is of a fake slasher film called ’’thanksgiving’’ with a tag line. ’’on this thanksgiving there will be no leftovers, white meat, black meat all will be carved.’’


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Post by Raw_Dust on Apr 9, 2007 11:16:07 am

the politics of the film was whatever. jihadis killing ’’states’’ army, ’’states’’ kicking out immigrants, ’’anarchists’’ getting their asses kicked by allah hu akbar chanting thugs And ’’states’’ both while having an afaq-altaf bhai style infighting too. and the whole we-brought-this-on-ourselves kind of self-flagellation which was repulsively condescending. which one have you not seen, che?


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Post by CheGuevara on Apr 9, 2007 11:09:35 am

i was expecting so much more :((
nah dude I haven’t seen it sounds interesting though


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Post by neembu on Apr 9, 2007 11:01:35 am

i thought the scenes at the end in the refugee camps- a civil war, were pretty convincing. the rest underscored anarchy and how even the birth of a baby can be interpreted in different ways. pointed parrallels to iraq and gitmo


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Post by Raw_Dust on Apr 9, 2007 10:57:39 am

#9 agreed. except the three mindblowing sequences at the opening (coffeeshop), julianne moore’s character getting shot and the last one. The camera-eye was very like Tarkovsky. Plus, near-incomprehensible plot like Syriana was very noirish.

and oh also, did you catch the psuedointellectual snippet by that pothead: faith and chance, ying and yang, shiva and shakti, lennon and mccartney. i thought that was pretty glib but cool.


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Post by neembu on Apr 9, 2007 9:37:41 am

re: 9

why’s that?


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