cobray,

I don't know, it could just be me, but your thread seems to be a bit hateful. Am I right or am I right?

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cobra it wont do 2 be hotheaded
u shud become subtle like kaal who is careful only 2 hint @ ethnic cleansing
all said i understand some muslims also were killed in the latest bombing & obviously the bombers dont care who they kill or who get killed
once u get thru that conundrum u may well be on ur way 2 proposing a meaningful solution

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Post by jang on May 15, 2008 10:50:18 am

Jang meray dost, my reply was not to them but for Cobra's praise of Ranjit's solution in this thread.

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Yes, raw, I suspect it is swayambhu - it creates itself and sustains itself, no matter what the conditions, except in the presence of God Himself, when perfection shall rule all.

Ha Ha, please don't take that seriously, because I know no more than you do. This is all guess work, based not on experience but on logic alone.

I mean, simply by taking a particualar kind of logical approach, one can create (intolerable) crises of alienation in any imperfect society. Don't you think?

I have gone out on quite a limb here.

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There is one difference though with respect to European/American Muslim integration and Indian situation: Muslim migrants never shared the ethnicity and host culture of their new homes and Islam could and has very successfully filled that vacuum because of that cultural dissonance. In Indian case, muslims have always been Hindus so the jihadi reflex (given a non-existant Pakistan) might not take root as viciously as it's done in France and UK. (am just thinking not arguing for or against)

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... and that is why I said pakistani-though-process will die its own death and that's the only linkage(ISI/Molvis/Islamic Triumphalism) that provides Indian_Muslim entity to get polarized on that massive jihadi scale. Eklavya, I guess, you think, given the Eurabian thesis etc. that the jihadi problem is self-sustaining. It might be.. i dunno.

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yar NYC, eklavya-ranjit have not blamed pakis or are looking for bombing paki cities. they are talking of fasadi in indian city ghettos.

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cobes, that's what I do, paint very broad strokes. Hopefully, people will understand that by any reference one does not mean everyone, all the time.

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"I mean, if people can do that in Europe and US, India will find it very hard to measure upto everyone's expectations."

Eka, in one broad stroke you just branded entire Muslim community as Jihadi and some how below the par. That's unwarranted.

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you guys already been doin this bombing shit. No one believe that Surabjeet Singh and Kashmir were on peace missions in Pakistan.

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But that is a cynical view. And it might be better to keep walking forward, with 'faith' in our hearts, but with eyes wide open.

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jang, the sheer COST of policing/dealing with contradictory groups is mindblowing. The state has to be exceptionally rich and have extremely powerful institutions - almost limitlessly funded, to be able to afford all the work needed in keeping such groups safe from each other.

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raw, I think, given that Indian institutions are quite imperfect, the polarization is inevitable. Only a miracle will make all Indians think of themselves as Indians first and last.

My guess is there will ALWAYS be major problems, in reality, and those problems can be very easily turned into bases for alienation.

I mean, if people can do that in Europe and US, India will find it very hard to measure upto everyone's expectations.

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raw yar, there are several groups in india which are polarized..maoist movement in tribal belt e.g. sure, some indian muslims are polarized and it does not take a lot of them to make a bomb every once in a while...it may not scratch india much assuming that indians dont react to it violently.

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I dunno about that point. But, I am not basing it on some pink /liberali notion of inherent human goodness, instead it is on the assumption that Indian polity could sustain (because of its institutions) Indian Muslims within as Indians first and last.

it seems you think Indian Muslims (as an abstract entity) is already polarized. (If you post some evidence to back this up that would be great)

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amrikans have managed to avoid bombings on their soil by using overwhelming techniques like massive purges in coney island and TSA probing of atif after each namaj.

there are ghettos in india (e.g. Mumbra outside bombay) where jihadis can live very comfortably..they are no-go areas for others.

hindoo state wont even be able to ask indian passport applicants to sign on a passage dennouncing the jihad

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LOL, good point, not about Pakistan self-destructing but that none of this will leave much of a scratch on India.

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